Is there really a "nursing shortage" - page 3

by laylasmom

I was just wondering if all this talk about a nursing shortage is true, because I've also been reading on here how difficult the job market is. Does it depend on the area perhaps? I live in Oklahoma so if anyone from OK would... Read More


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    For the past 12+ years, I have been an exhibitor at several national nursing conferences (for OR, critical care, neuro, OB, Black Nurses, Hispanic Nurses, etc.) as well as the national student nurse conference (NSNA). There are still healthcare systems actively recruiting nurses in specific areas (OR nurses with 5+ years experience, experiences neuro ICU nurses, Neonatal NPs, etc). But very few facilities need to travel to recruit new grads. Last year there were under 12 employers that attended the National Student Nurse Association convention in Pittsburgh -- they were vastly outnumbered by the 50+ schools of nursing there. In 2007 at this same conference there were over 150 hospitals actively seeking new grads.

    Colleagues in nurse recruitment indicate that they do not need to look for new grads at all. One hospital in DC received over 1300 applications for 40 positions for new grads in 2012; they did not even call any ADN graduates as they had 400+ BSN grads submit applications. Other major academic medical centers which used to travel to recruit reduced the window when they accepted new grad applications (8 hours at one 1000-bed hospital, 2 days for another 900-bed facility).

    So yes there is a shortage for RNs with many years of very specialized experience. But it is a very tough market for those with no experience (especially for those from community college and the multitude of for-profit associate degree programs). At a recent meeting of community college nursing faculty in my state, there was a report that up to 35% of ADN grads did not have nursing jobs 12 months after graduation.

    Good luck.
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    There is a nursing shortage of Experienced nurses.
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    Thanks for that, UVA Grad Nursing. That kind of "boots-on-the-ground" information is vital for all of us in making our career plans.
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    Quote from Nurse_
    There is a nursing shortage of Experienced nurses.
    And depending on where you are, even experienced nurses don't have an easy time finding employment. People with GOBS of experience have found themselves submitting alot of applications and getting few bites.

    Only those with the RIGHT experience at the RIGHT time in the RIGHT place will be finding work without too much trouble.
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    Please don't put much faith in the Department of Labor information - this is based on very simplistic projections that anticipate the "need" for nurses based on population growth.

    DOL numbers do not reflect the real world. In fact, hospitals are the largest employer group, and hospital nursing jobs have steadily decreased over the last 5 years and will continue to decrease. This is a result of enormous pressures to cut costs in order to offset the impact of dramatic declines in reimbursement. CA is the only state with mandated nurse-patient ratios. The American Hospital Association is an enormously powerful political lobby - nuff said.
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    Are you free to move? To say every single hospital is experiencing the same shortage is just not how it works. You have to talk with places where you want to apply and find out how they handle hiring new grads. Also if you are able to move you open yourself up to a ton more options. Like me I graduated with my BSN in 2008 and moved to Wyoming and worked for 3 years and now I moved somewhere else and I got a job quick. The more flexible you are the more likely you are to get a job. Some people only want to work at X hospital on X unit and only X hours. Good luck with that. You need to be able to do med/surg nights. Then you earn your stripes and time and can move onto something else.
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    Quote from windsurfer8
    Are you free to move? To say every single hospital is experiencing the same shortage is just not how it works. You have to talk with places where you want to apply and find out how they handle hiring new grads. Also if you are able to move you open yourself up to a ton more options.
    Absolutely. I'm just starting my pre-reqs but understand that I may have to move to seek employment. The market will be different next year and the year after. Those experienced nurses will have to hang up the cleats at some time.
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    There is a nursing shortage and it is expected to just grow and grow with the aging population, but yet it is still hard to get a job as a new grad, they want experienced! Good luck
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    Quote from jlc128
    There is a nursing shortage and it is expected to just grow and grow with the aging population, but yet it is still hard to get a job as a new grad, they want experienced! Good luck
    Where is there a nursing shortage? In times of shortage, new grads found work easily, even with sign-on bonuses and other incentives. Today, new grads are finding it tough to find work because there is no need to hire inexperienced when experienced nurses can be found without difficulty, and there are frequently hundreds of applicants for a handful of jobs.

    Kinda meets the definition of "no shortage of nurses".

    On a side note, Jenna, I'd like to make a strong suggestion that you edit your personal profile on AllNurses; you really need to be careful about how much information is available like this. Your full name, photo, where you live and how to reach you, etc is right there for your friendly (or not so friendly) stalker. Please be more careful!
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    I think nursing school faculty mostly take their talking points from the AACN, ANA, etc. That's how there can be a shortage in the midst of a glut of nurses. When there actually was a nursing shortage, nursing students and graduate nurses were courted and offered lots of incentives. Now we're reading about working for free for 2 to 3 months with no guarantee of a job.


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