Food Insecurity and Child Malnutrition in the United States - page 3

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Emily, a 9-year-old with a cinnamon skin tone and a strikingly angular face dotted by a set of chocolate-colored eyes, sits inside an examination room at the local children’s outreach clinic. She comes to the clinic once a month... Read More


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    Forgot the link to the prices above . . .it's from a food co-op, it is mostly organic, it is in Brooklyn, New York.

    Produce Price List : Park Slope Food Coop : Organic Food in Park Slope - Locally Grown Fruits and Vegetables, grass fed meats, organic cheese in Brooklyn, New York
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    Quote from LadyFree28
    KatieMI, do these children's families travel to get groceries?
    What is the general income level of the area? How can one "value" food when some of the staples in the household are quick meals due to environmental and economic factors? Most low income people live day to day, in the present to make it another day. Have you visited these homes and done an assessment on where and how the environment is in their households? I'm curious.
    1) Most of them shop for groceries in Walmart or Aldi (where all basics for balanced diet are available). Some get "almost all the things" in local pharmacies, which puzzles me because it is way more expensive. Many - don't know about everybody - have cars in families and so can use them for travel.
    2) This school serves classical "small poor city of Midwest" in an area with relatively low cost of living. I do not know exactly how many of them are officially below "poverty line", but generally in this area around 50% of total population is below this income level. 80+% students qualify for free food in school.
    3) No, I didn't do any "assessments". That's not my role there.
    4). I lived through last decade of 20th century in my native Russia where we also lived day by day and sometimes went hungry. I also visited China, India and Japan, where one bedroom apartment for five people is considered to be pretty much a norm and American-sized kitchens are next to unthinkable. Despite of these environmental and economic factors, and the much higher cost of food there, people in these countries have remarkably different "values" toward food. It seems illogical to me to compare prevalence of obesity and different forms of malnutrition in this countries and in the USA because, for example, ascorbic acid deficiency can happen easily on a "diet" of tea and toast but virtually unknown in Japan where "poor's food" (rice with pickles and seaweed) is rich in it. The difference lies, for example, in the fact that in India still only very rich girl can get married without being able to cook - and even then she's expected to know a whole lot about food and spices.

    I suspect that not only "environmental and economic" factors and "cheapness" of junk food and frozen meals make the situation possible. As it was already shown here and in other places, all that costs not much less, or even more than "healthier" foodstuff. People found ways to cook during Great Depression, during the wars and in Oregon trail - and saw nothing special in doing that. I think that availability of incredibly easy, (seemingly) cheap, artificially tasty and widely advertised foods for generations in a row has much more to do with it. One has to grow in place where a women of the house can give delicious two course meal to her whole family plus a couple of guests having one small chicken and not much more and be proud of herself as wife and hostess in order to refuse to consider frozen burger as something worth to eat.
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    Quote from Spidey's mom
    I'm not a big fan of coupons either. We don't buy potato chips - I was just using that as an example.
    I could respond to your entire post on my phone; however it seems to be wrapped into my previous post.

    In response to the burgers as an example they are 12 for 7 vs 8 for 7; whole carrots in a bag can cost that much in a low income neighborhood vs a bulk area they are 4 dollars for 2 lbs; baby carrots are 4 dollars at a supermarket vs 4 dollars for an extra 2 pounds; these are examples of ACTUAL PRICES...again, location location location.

    Please look up redlining; it used to occur on a real estate basis; and now it's a business way of life, unfortunately in urban areas.

    As far as co-ops in my city; there are a few main areas that still would be a make or break for a low income family; public transportation is starting to be a luxury as I lined out the ACTUALS in my previous post.

    The realities are the same; food is still a bill that people are stressing over; let's not kid ourselves that it's not happening; that's MY position, my reality that I have experienced; I'm sticking to that position.
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    All I know is I've seen people using $300 of SNAP (because all the snap cards look the same....) on frozen fried chicken appetizers, pizza rolls and huge boxes of fruit loops while I dont even walk down chip and dessert aisles in order to afford food for my family of three adults and three school aged kids.... there is no way I could afford the "cheaper" junk foods. I have never been able to (im in nursing school and we have always been a one income lower enlisted military family). Ive never understood the correlation between poor and obese since when we are broke we stretxh our beans and rice pretty far... and not every poor obese person lives in a hotel... whats the stats on that figure?. It doesnt make any sense to me but I dont really argue its truth. I just dont get it. But the numbers are there I guess?
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    I just stumbled on to this thread. We have ears of corn all summer long that will be 3-6 ears for $1.00
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    Well, I guess I could say that redlining is happening up here in the mountains. We are mostly captive to local stores and gas stations unless we drive over 70 miles one way. I routinely refuse to purchase anything other than milk or eggs at the grocery store in my town because their prices are jacked up too high. However, if that was my only choice, I could still find good nutritious food on sale and make a good healthy meal.

    Most of the families up here make twice monthly trips to the big city to go to Costco or Winco or Walmart and do their big shopping. We have a high percentage of poor people here and many on food stamps.

    Safeway is 20 miles down the road in the next small town and has better prices than the little grocery store here in my little town. There is also an Indian Casino 20 miles from here where the gas is way cheaper than even the city down the mountain.

    Almost everyone up here has a garden in the summer and there is a once a week farmer's market. We have a pantry full of canned fruit and veggies. I slow-roast my tomatoes and freeze them for sauces and soups.

    Eating healthy for less cost than junk food can be done. What I'm saying is it is a myth that junk food is less expensive than healthy food.

    Oh and the veggie burgers . . . if you buy the package of 8 and I buy the package of 4, we are still paying about the same price per pound. $3.29 for 4 and $7.00 for 8.
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    Quote from Spidey's mom
    Well, I guess I could say that redlining is happening up here in the mountains. We are mostly captive to local stores and gas stations unless we drive over 70 miles one way. I routinely refuse to purchase anything other than milk or eggs at the grocery store in my town because their prices are jacked up too high. However, if that was my only choice, I could still find good nutritious food on sale and make a good healthy meal. Most of the families up here make twice monthly trips to the big city to go to Costco or Winco or Walmart and do their big shopping. We have a high percentage of poor people here and many on food stamps. Safeway is 20 miles down the road in the next small town and has better prices than the little grocery store here in my little town. There is also an Indian Casino 20 miles from here where the gas is way cheaper than even the city down the mountain. Almost everyone up here has a garden in the summer and there is a once a week farmer's market. We have a pantry full of canned fruit and veggies. I slow-roast my tomatoes and freeze them for sauces and soups. Eating healthy for less cost than junk food can be done. What I'm saying is it is a myth that junk food is less expensive than healthy food. Oh and the veggie burgers . . . if you buy the package of 8 and I buy the package of 4, we are still paying about the same price per pound. $3.29 for 4 and $7.00 for 8.
    I believe you are redlined; again it's something that has occurred in many urban areas for GENERATIONS....can't "change" things overnight in terms of economic power, especially when economic power ends up shifting and eventually push proverty out or into another neighborhood.

    You are at an advantage of having a garden; my point is if you live in an area where no transportation or space for a garden and the reliance of a supermarket in an area that doesn't have one, then one is WAYY behind the curveball, so one can't speak when one doesn't know or not familiar with the logistics.

    As far as the veggie burgers for example, I don't get 8; I said 12 for 7 bucks...much better than 8; I get that from the shopping club I attend.

    Again, I travel to get more value as well as the food I need, including sale items; until the supermarket 5 minutes away provides better produce and meat, I will continue to travel 5-15 minutes more to stock up the non perishables, and get fresher, farm grown, and Amish fresh items, and support local farmers. I know the difference of the food items, and it benefits my health. I rather have it closer, and a lot of communities need it closer, and don't have it. my point is there are other cities and communities that DON'T have it, and I'm not blind to think that they are not having the same struggles, or may be slow to have these items that I have in my city and it should not be that way.
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    Quote from douxmusique
    All I know is I've seen people using $300 of SNAP (because all the snap cards look the same....) on frozen fried chicken appetizers, pizza rolls and huge boxes of fruit loops while I dont even walk down chip and dessert aisles in order to afford food for my family of three adults and three school aged kids.... there is no way I could afford the "cheaper" junk foods. I have never been able to (im in nursing school and we have always been a one income lower enlisted military family). Ive never understood the correlation between poor and obese since when we are broke we stretxh our beans and rice pretty far... and not every poor obese person lives in a hotel... whats the stats on that figure?. It doesnt make any sense to me but I dont really argue its truth. I just dont get it. But the numbers are there I guess?
    Remember, food assistance only covers for FOOD....

    Think about it, most people who are living on a low paycheck BARELY can get "dry goods", storage containers, even Reynolds Wrap, Eve the store bought kind can be hard...,ziplock bags, etc..,some people barely get soap, and tooth paste an that may be all they can get...they are going to get the "connivence" foods as a priority to make food last.
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    Quote from LadyFree28

    You are at an advantage of having a garden; my point is if you live in an area where no transportation or space for a garden and the reliance of a supermarket in an area that doesn't have one, then one is WAYY behind the curveball, so one can't speak when one doesn't know or not familiar with the logistics.


    Again, I travel to get more value as well as the food I need, including sale items; until the supermarket 5 minutes away provides better produce and meat, I will continue to travel 5-15 minutes more to stock up the non perishables, and get fresher, farm grown, and Amish fresh items, and support local farmers. I know the difference of the food items, and it benefits my health. I rather have it closer, and a lot of communities need it closer, and don't have it. my point is there are other cities and communities that DON'T have it, and I'm not blind to think that they are not having the same struggles, or may be slow to have these items that I have in my city and it should not be that way.
    I'd rather focus on how to help instead of pointing fingers. With education, we could show communities that healthy food is the way to go cost-wise and health-wise. This is actually happening in many communities and has been Michelle Obama's goal.

    Quote from LadyFree28
    Remember, food assistance only covers for FOOD....

    Think about it, most people who are living on a low paycheck BARELY can get "dry goods", storage containers, even Reynolds Wrap, Eve the store bought kind can be hard...,ziplock bags, etc..,some people barely get soap, and tooth paste an that may be all they can get...they are going to get the "connivence" foods as a priority to make food last.
    Just because folks head to "convenience" stores doesn't mean we have to give up and not try to show them why that's not a good idea.

    Something has happened to the family unit - grandparents and aunts and uncles and cousins and husbands and wives and moms and dads - one generation helping the other. The focus may have to start with helping rebuild families. No one is saying we shouldn't try to help. In fact I think many of us have been giving examples of how to help.
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    That's one thing we can agree on...but it starts with local farmer and supermarkets out reaching into the community as well...reach one, teach one...
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