Kansas no longer accepting EC - page 2

Read this on another board, checked for myself. Under FAQs 1st question: Kansas will no longer accept EC grads for licensure or endorsement Q. Do distance learning and... Read More

  1. by   Nemhain
    Quote from chris_at_lucas_RN
    They always check. (And you want them to--at least you want them to check the nurses you will be working with.... )
    Yes, I can see now how that would be a good idea!

    I asked this in the above post, but I guess I can ask again. Do the BONs want school transcripts as well? Or do they just want the names of the schools so they can call and verify that way?
    Thanks!!
  2. by   lvn_to_rn
    Quote from mona b
    Has this been coming for some time or did the KSBON spring this up all of a sudden?

    I wonder what they would think of Deaconess program. I guess there is faculty direction with DCN so that would probably make all the difference.
    Tell me more about the Deaconess program please.
  3. by   DutchgirlRN
    Quote from willtm
    as it stands right now...as of December 27, 2004 an EC grad can not get a kansas license either by exam or endorsement. As far as I know they are not revoking anyone's licence
    Once you have your license they absolutely cannot revoke it unless of course you do something naughty.
    You can register to take the NCLEX in another state and then have your license transferred to Kansas. I have known of other RN's who had the same problem with a school they graduated from and then found out they couldn't sit for boards in their state. Once you pass NCLEX in any other state you can then easily transfer it to Kansas. I hope this helps. I graduated from EC in 2001 and would be freaking out if I hadn't yet passed the NCLEX and Tennessee decided not to accept my degree. BTW EC does have a clinical, I know, I failed it the first time due to nerves, I had been an LPN for 26 years at the time. Felt like such a dumb***. Oh well it all turned out ok. Good Luck Kansaseans!
  4. by   traumaRUs
    Nemhaim - I'm unsure if they require transcripts or not - I would check with your BON.
  5. by   willtm
    From another site:

    Date: Sun Jan 9, 2005 9:23 am
    Subject: States no longer accepting EC

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    "Resolution that NCSBN (National Council of State Boards of Nursing) and its member boards support the necessity for inclusion of planned, structured and supervised clinical instruction as essential to nursing education for nurses at all points in their careers. The concept of clinical competence will be referred to NCSBN's Practice, Regulation and Education standing committee for the development of a formal position statement."

    It appears that the states are following this recommendation and it is at this level that protest must happen. The NCSBN has a website www.ncsbn.org and more information can be found there.




    Also note the part where it says supervised clinical instuction is essential at ALL points. Will the trend continue into the online RN to BSN programs??
  6. by   willtm
    sorry, that didn't post well
  7. by   CSLee3
    Chris at Lucas........I am glad to be a Texan...how about you!!!

    Hey gang, Kansas may be trying to be clever here, but if you are already an RN and in a Recipriocity state (which there is about 27 now), you don't even need that state's license to practice. You practice on your home state license. There is a list of states in the compact posted out there somewhere! I would like to know if they are on the compact list. Its not like they have ocean front property to attract all the nurses they might need.................Chuck
  8. by   FocusRN
    Couldn't there be a way around this? I mean for graduates of EC for example if they were LPN's they have had a clinical component. Couldn't a student argue that their EC education is an extension of their LPN education, and therefore the clinical component in their LPN program, was an intergral part of EC's program, and the performance exam is just the culmination of that clinical component? And the faculty in that program does, direct clinical instruction by requiring it as a per-req, and testing it in the CPNE. From the way they have worded it, it seems like it is more than possible. But of course I would advise alot of distance ed students do this at once, before they can back track and change their rules to be more specific.
  9. by   CSLee3
    Quote from New_Mom_LPN_Student
    Couldn't there be a way around this? I mean for graduates of EC for example if they were LPN's they have had a clinical component. Couldn't a student argue that their EC education is an extension of their LPN education, and therefore the clinical component in their LPN program, was an intergral part of EC's program, and the performance exam is just the culmination of that clinical component? And the faculty in that program does, direct clinical instruction by requiring it as a per-req, and testing it in the CPNE. From the way they have worded it, it seems like it is more than possible. But of course I would advise alot of distance ed students do this at once, before they can back track and change their rules to be more specific.
    New Mom LPN...you make a lot of sense, that is why you have to be a Paramedic or LPN/LVN to now to do EC...FOR THE CLINICAL verification. The few states that do not accept Excelsior are missing the boat...the accrediting agencies: Like NLNCC accredit Exceslior for the very strict program. EC has been doing this since 1975 and Know what they are doing! As an Excelsior grad, I would love to see some state nursing board member jump up and try their luck on the infamous CPNE exam! Has anyone checked the EC site review score by NLNCC, New York Nursing Board, etc. etc,: NO DINGS, PERFECT! Check with your local college or university and see if they had a perfect audit...probably not. SO simply put, jealousy and ignorance prevails in a few states...Maybe they will be vacationing in my beautiful state and need emergency care.....They just might have an Excelsior grad treat them. Heck, I have worked with several whom I never knew were EC grads....One is a Nurse Practitioner. I work with a Doctor who was an LPN in Missouri from a fly by night trade school....but stated it was the best thing he did and it helped him through med school...so you never know! Kansas and other states are the ones loosing....heck, they can import more foreign nurses and pay agencies...whatever to stay away from us "nontraditional folks".....
    Rock on fellow nurses...............Chuck
  10. by   Jo Dirt
    I know that California, who is not accepting EC grads at this time, is working on a plan so EC grads can do something like an 80 hr. externship so they can become licensed. I imagine Kansas will do the same thing.
  11. by   Sheri257
    Quote from LPNtoRN
    I know that California, who is not accepting EC grads at this time, is working on a plan so EC grads can do something like an 80 hr. externship so they can become licensed. I imagine Kansas will do the same thing.
    Don't know where you heard this but I doubt it. California just appropriated $230,000 to fight EC's lawsuit on this. (Yes, EC filed suit after the California decision).

    That doesn't sound like they're working out a deal to me. If anything, it looks like the board is sticking with their original decision. Otherwise, why would they appropriate a lot of money to fight the lawsuit?

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jan 11, '05
  12. by   CSLee3
    Quote from lizz
    Don't know where you heard this but I doubt it. California just appropriated $230,000 to fight EC's lawsuit on this. (Yes, EC filed suit after the California decision).

    That doesn't sound like they're working out a deal to me. If anything, it looks like the board is sticking with their original decision. Otherwise, why would they appropriate a lot of money to fight the lawsuit?

    Glad to hear EC is fighting that. CA HAS to approiate the money to defend themselves. They know they are in for a fight. CA. has a ton of foreign educated nurses, who pass the NCLEX....so....who is discriminating?
  13. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Quote from New_Mom_LPN_Student
    Couldn't a student argue that their EC education is an extension of their LPN education, and therefore the clinical component in their LPN program, was an intergral part of EC's program, and the performance exam is just the culmination of that clinical component? And the faculty in that program does, direct clinical instruction by requiring it as a per-req, and testing it in the CPNE. From the way they have worded it, it seems like it is more than possible. But of course I would advise alot of distance ed students do this at once, before they can back track and change their rules to be more specific.
    If someone's experience was in their LVN program, it cannot be a part of their EC program, so no, that couldn't be argued.

    If the clinical faculty was not physically present to observe, instruct, etc., the clinical component, then they cannot be considered to direct it, because they didn't direct it. So, no, you cannot say or argue that, either.

    The CPNE tests clinical knowledge and skills acquired elsewhere, just like the academic exams test knowledge acquired elsewhere.

    If it isn't what happens, you cannot say that it does! Simple.

    However, that does not mean that EC graduates do not have the appropriate skills. It means that some individuals for whatever reason (can't think outside the box, heard a rumor, met an EC grad who actually wasn't a good nurse--I'm sure there are a couple somewhere) do not like the idea of getting your own training and then coming back to demo it. They are entitled to that opinion and if they can get their state's BON/BNE to go along with it, well, then, that's what they did.

    More's the pity.

    But we don't win any points if we suggest things that are not true. We lose when we do that.
    Last edit by chris_at_lucas_RN on Jan 12, '05

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