Kansas no longer accepting EC

[willtm]

Read this on another board, checked for myself. Under FAQs 1st question:

Kansas will no longer accept EC grads for licensure or endorsement

Q. Do distance learning and non-traditional programs qualify for licensure in Kansas? A. The Kansas State Board of Nursing has received numerous inquiries lately regarding "distance learning" and non-traditional programs that do not include a clinical component in the curriculum.

The statutes and regulations establish that:

(1) Applicants for licensure must have graduated from an approved school of nursing (KSA 65-1115 [a] [2] and KSA 65-1116 [a] [3]);

(2) To be approved, a nursing program must provide clinical experience (KAR 60-2-104 [c] & [d]);

(3) Furthermore, the faculty in each nursing program must "direct clinical instruction as an integral part of the program" (KAR 60-2-104 [a] [3]);

(4) The clinical component of the program must entail "an active process in which the student participates in nursing activities while being guided by a member of the faculty" (KAR 60-1-104 [e]); and

(5) An out-of-state school must maintain standards at least equal to in-state schools approved by the board in order for the board to consider graduates from that school qualified for licensure. (KSA 65-1119 [f].

Performance examinations alone do not meet the requirements of direct clinical instruction as an integral part of the program or an active process in which the student participates in nursing activities while being guided by a member of the faculty. Therefore, if programs do not have a comprehensive clinical component, graduates will not qualify for licensure in Kansas. Graduates of nursing programs that lack a clinical component who have obtained a nursing license in another state will not be qualified to obtain licensure in Kansas by endorsement. These persons must meet the Kansas qualifications for licensure.

If you have had clinical education please contact the education department.

[Nemhain]

Nemhain - at least in the states I've been licensed in (NV,IN,IL), all have asked for ALL schools/colleges attended (even for non-nursing education).

Will they want the transcripts from all of the schools I've attended too? I hope not.

[Nemhain]

They always check. (And you want them to--at least you want them to check the nurses you will be working with.... )

Yes, I can see now how that would be a good idea!

I asked this in the above post, but I guess I can ask again. Do the BONs want school transcripts as well? Or do they just want the names of the schools so they can call and verify that way?

Thanks!!

[lvn_to_rn]

Has this been coming for some time or did the KSBON spring this up all of a sudden?

I wonder what they would think of Deaconess program. I guess there is faculty direction with DCN so that would probably make all the difference.

Tell me more about the Deaconess program please.

[DutchgirlRN, ASN, RN]

as it stands right now...as of December 27, 2004 an EC grad can not get a kansas license either by exam or endorsement. As far as I know they are not revoking anyone's licence

Once you have your license they absolutely cannot revoke it unless of course you do something naughty.

You can register to take the NCLEX in another state and then have your license transferred to Kansas. I have known of other RN's who had the same problem with a school they graduated from and then found out they couldn't sit for boards in their state. Once you pass NCLEX in any other state you can then easily transfer it to Kansas. I hope this helps. I graduated from EC in 2001 and would be freaking out if I hadn't yet passed the NCLEX and Tennessee decided not to accept my degree. BTW EC does have a clinical, I know, I failed it the first time due to nerves, I had been an LPN for 26 years at the time. Felt like such a dumb***. Oh well it all turned out ok. Good Luck Kansaseans!

[traumaRUs, MSN, APRN]

Nemhaim - I'm unsure if they require transcripts or not - I would check with your BON.

[willtm]

From another site:

Date: Sun Jan 9, 2005 9:23 am

Subject: States no longer accepting EC

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I have been reading with interest the postings about Kansas not accepting EC anymore. I am in Minnesota so I thought Whew! not here but then I recieved my newsleter from the Minnesota Board of Nursing and was shocked! This is what I read;

"Resolution that NCSBN (National Council of State Boards of Nursing) and its member boards support the necessity for inclusion of planned, structured and supervised clinical instruction as essential to nursing education for nurses at all points in their careers. The concept of clinical competence will be referred to NCSBN's Practice, Regulation and Education standing committee for the development of a formal position statement."

It appears that the states are following this recommendation and it is at this level that protest must happen. The NCSBN has a website www.ncsbn.org and more information can be found there.

Also note the part where it says supervised clinical instuction is essential at ALL points. Will the trend continue into the online RN to BSN programs??

[willtm]

sorry, that didn't post well:(

[CSLee3, ASN, BSN, LVN, EMT-P]

Chris at Lucas........I am glad to be a Texan...how about you!!!

Hey gang, Kansas may be trying to be clever here, but if you are already an RN and in a Recipriocity state (which there is about 27 now), you don't even need that state's license to practice. You practice on your home state license. There is a list of states in the compact posted out there somewhere! I would like to know if they are on the compact list. Its not like they have ocean front property to attract all the nurses they might need.................Chuck

[FocusRN]

Couldn't there be a way around this? I mean for graduates of EC for example if they were LPN's they have had a clinical component. Couldn't a student argue that their EC education is an extension of their LPN education, and therefore the clinical component in their LPN program, was an intergral part of EC's program, and the performance exam is just the culmination of that clinical component? And the faculty in that program does, direct clinical instruction by requiring it as a per-req, and testing it in the CPNE. From the way they have worded it, it seems like it is more than possible. But of course I would advise alot of distance ed students do this at once, before they can back track and change their rules to be more specific.

[CSLee3, ASN, BSN, LVN, EMT-P]

Couldn't there be a way around this? I mean for graduates of EC for example if they were LPN's they have had a clinical component. Couldn't a student argue that their EC education is an extension of their LPN education, and therefore the clinical component in their LPN program, was an intergral part of EC's program, and the performance exam is just the culmination of that clinical component? And the faculty in that program does, direct clinical instruction by requiring it as a per-req, and testing it in the CPNE. From the way they have worded it, it seems like it is more than possible. But of course I would advise alot of distance ed students do this at once, before they can back track and change their rules to be more specific.

New Mom LPN...you make a lot of sense, that is why you have to be a Paramedic or LPN/LVN to now to do EC...FOR THE CLINICAL verification. The few states that do not accept Excelsior are missing the boat...the accrediting agencies: Like NLNCC accredit Exceslior for the very strict program. EC has been doing this since 1975 and Know what they are doing! As an Excelsior grad, I would love to see some state nursing board member jump up and try their luck on the infamous CPNE exam! Has anyone checked the EC site review score by NLNCC, New York Nursing Board, etc. etc,: NO DINGS, PERFECT! Check with your local college or university and see if they had a perfect audit...probably not. SO simply put, jealousy and ignorance prevails in a few states...Maybe they will be vacationing in my beautiful state and need emergency care.....They just might have an Excelsior grad treat them. Heck, I have worked with several whom I never knew were EC grads....One is a Nurse Practitioner. I work with a Doctor who was an LPN in Missouri from a fly by night trade school....but stated it was the best thing he did and it helped him through med school...so you never know! Kansas and other states are the ones loosing....heck, they can import more foreign nurses and pay agencies...whatever to stay away from us "nontraditional folks".....

Rock on fellow nurses...............Chuck

[Jo Dirt]

I know that California, who is not accepting EC grads at this time, is working on a plan so EC grads can do something like an 80 hr. externship so they can become licensed. I imagine Kansas will do the same thing.

[Sheri257]

I know that California, who is not accepting EC grads at this time, is working on a plan so EC grads can do something like an 80 hr. externship so they can become licensed. I imagine Kansas will do the same thing.

Don't know where you heard this but I doubt it. California just appropriated $230,000 to fight EC's lawsuit on this. (Yes, EC filed suit after the California decision).

That doesn't sound like they're working out a deal to me. If anything, it looks like the board is sticking with their original decision. Otherwise, why would they appropriate a lot of money to fight the lawsuit?