Kansas no longer accepting EC

mona b RN, BSN, RN · Jan 6, 2005

Has this been coming for some time or did the KSBON spring this up all of a sudden?

I wonder what they would think of Deaconess program. I guess there is faculty direction with DCN so that would probably make all the difference.

willtm · Jan 6, 2005

Apparently it was all of a sudden, last month they allowed EC grads, this month they are not accepting them. My guess is that DCN is acceptable because it has a clinical component.

Has this been coming for some time or did the KSBON spring this up all of a sudden?
I wonder what they would think of Deaconess program. I guess there is faculty direction with DCN so that would probably make all the difference.

bellcollector · Jan 7, 2005

Oh my Gosh, Are other states considering this? Do I understand it correctly? If you have gone through the entire program graduated and taken NCLEX and they do this you would not be allowed to practice in that state? Or is it that if you have done it all and just not done NCLEX you are screwed? I am freakin out just a bit. I say get lawyers involved and SUE SUE SUE!!!

chris_at_lucas_RN, RN · Jan 7, 2005

Lawsuits are pretty expensive. Unlike California, where there are schools on top of schools with waiting lists and charging top dollar, Kansas is not likely to be motivated out of competition. More likely, it is a general response to some of the really crappy "programs" and EC got caught in the crossfire.

One wonders if being able to transfer credit from clinicals is a thing of the near future. It would help people (like me) who came in having completed more than 1/2 our clinicals in brick-and-mortar RN school, but would pretty much leave everybody else out in the cold, unless they went to a long checklist and had you get signatures of competency from former instructors or something like that.

I guess it will also be interesting to see if there are nontrad grads with some experience who want to license in Kansas. What's to keep them from arguing that they are competent nurses in other states, and that cross the state line doesn't change that.

I see a nationalization of licensure as a solution. We're already started in that direction in two ways.

One, the NCLEX. Used to be, boards were specific to the state you licensed in, and you could only avoid taking another board exam if you moved to another state that had a reciprocal agreement with the one you already held the license for.

Second, the "compact" states. (Did Texas start that? I think at least it was one of the first to join.) Anyway, that's like a rarified reciprocity. It you are licensed in a compact state and you want to practice in another member state, your original license is as good as one from that second state. My understanding is, you don't have to apply to that second state, you don't have to pay the fees there, and you certainly don't have to test.

Maybe this is a good thing. Maybe it will force the issue of a national license.

It's all pretty much just politics anyway.

sjt9721, BSN, RN · Jan 7, 2005

So if one completed the EC program, they couldn't sit for the NCLEX in Kansas? Certainly that doesn't extend to an EC grad that became licensed in another state & then moved to Kansas to work...right?

willtm · Jan 7, 2005

as it stands right now...as of December 27, 2004 an EC grad can not get a kansas license either by exam or endorsement. As far as I know they are not revoking anyone's licence

So if one completed the EC program, they couldn't sit for the NCLEX in Kansas? Certainly that doesn't extend to an EC grad that became licensed in another state & then moved to Kansas to work...right?

RN34TX · Jan 8, 2005

As I read it on their board website, even those of us who have been practicing RN's for years would not be eligible for endorsement into Kansas.

But everyone understand this very important point as it does come up from time to time during these discussions:

No matter what present and future decisions are made regarding RN licensure in any state, there has NEVER been any instance in any state where RN's had their licenses revoked because of board rulings. Once you get licensure, it is yours to keep (short of practice issues) and future rulings only affect those who have not yet been licensed.

Years ago, LPN/LVN's in many states were trained on the job or were CNA's for a period of years and allowed to challenge the LPN board exam.

Once formal training of LPN/LVN's in colleges and hospital programs was implemented it became necessary for one to complete this type of program in order to be eligible for LPN licensure. None of these previous non-traditional LPN's in any state had their license revoked once they already posessed it, they just slowly disappeared as they retired and now we only know LPN's that have been formally trained in nursing programs today.

Nemhain · Jan 8, 2005

Just a quick question:

If someone had graduated from EC 10 years ago and had been a working RN in Florida (just for example) and then wanted a Kansas license how would the Kansas BON know where that nurse went to school? Do the state BONs have a list of where people graduated from and then send that on to other BONs? Or would the nurse who is applying for the license have to put it (where s/he graduated from) on her/his application?

Just curious...I'm still a student (but not through distance ed.).

Trauma Columnist · Jan 8, 2005

Nemhain - at least in the states I've been licensed in (NV,IN,IL), all have asked for ALL schools/colleges attended (even for non-nursing education).

chris_at_lucas_RN, RN · Jan 8, 2005

Just a quick question:
If someone had graduated from EC 10 years ago and had been a working RN in Florida (just for example) and then wanted a Kansas license how would the Kansas BON know where that nurse went to school? Do the state BONs have a list of where people graduated from and then send that on to other BONs? Or would the nurse who is applying for the license have to put it (where s/he graduated from) on her/his application?
Just curious...I'm still a student (but not through distance ed.).

They always check. (And you want them to--at least you want them to check the nurses you will be working with....

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chris_at_lucas_RN, RN · Jan 8, 2005

As I read it on their board website, even those of us who have been practicing RN's for years would not be eligible for endorsement into Kansas.
But everyone understand this very important point as it does come up from time to time during these discussions:
No matter what present and future decisions are made regarding RN licensure in any state, there has NEVER been any instance in any state where RN's had their licenses revoked because of board rulings. Once you get licensure, it is yours to keep (short of practice issues) and future rulings only affect those who have not yet been licensed.
Years ago, LPN/LVN's in many states were trained on the job or were CNA's for a period of years and allowed to challenge the LPN board exam.
Once formal training of LPN/LVN's in colleges and hospital programs was implemented it became necessary for one to complete this type of program in order to be eligible for LPN licensure. None of these previous non-traditional LPN's in any state had their license revoked once they already posessed it, they just slowly disappeared as they retired and now we only know LPN's that have been formally trained in nursing programs today.

Very wise words. Nothing is written in stone, either. Kansas may have their knickers bunched up about nontrad programs now, but who is to say that they won't see things differently later.