Maintaining the license without work, and a general rant - page 3
So, I'm one of those once-upon-a-time new grads who is no longer a new grad but who has been unable to find employment. I'm building this little patchwork of short term employment situations (camp... Read More
Sep 13, '11 by aznurse1"about the bad behavior of many of the nurses they work with: mocking their patients, speaking of them derisively, not attending to a particular patient because they don't like them, and in general doing as little as possible because they want to be in Facebook or fooling around online"
Really??? because you can't get a job, you speak poorly of other nurses. Nurses have personal lives, they eat, they go to the bathroom, they check messages and email, just like other professional people do on their breaks or down time.
Join the club of people who disrespect, bully and poorly represent nurses to the public.
Sep 13, '11 by brandy1017I'm not surprised CA has no openings, it is like a paradise to many people with the climate. ocean and wonderful views, plus it has the best staffing ratios in the nation! I can see why lots of nurses would relocate to sunny CA! But even CA has lots of problems, the govt is practically bankrupt, droughts, water shortages, earthquakes, and high utility bills. They just had a major blackout due to one mistake a state away! They import their electricity so they are susceptible to electricity blackmail like Enron was guilty of, even gas prices are quite high out there.
So as wonderful as CA can be there are other parts of the country to focus on for jobs! Like others said TX seems to have openings, we had several India nurses relocate to Texas with pay raises. Heard their are openings in ND as well.
Sep 13, '11 by tyvin, BSNWe keep saying it's going to end but how can it when there are soooooo many new grads each year and the influx of foreign nurses is at an all time astounding rate. I really can't see just because the baby boomers retire that all will be fine. I am hearing so many young people going into nursing for the wrong reasons ... they are promised jobs with security. This defiantly saddens me.
Also where I am (to acknowledge the OPs post) there are no CEs or hours of work to renew the RN. I have worked in OR and WA as well and those places require both or at least did 12 years ago. I know a nurse who hasn't worked for 10 years and still has her license active here. Doesn't matter; there aren't any jobs.
I will tell of the island I call my home which is Kauai ... there are 2 hospitals, 3 emergency rooms (1 LTC commissioned to have an ER because of the remoteness and the other 2 ER are at the two hospital), a few LTC facilities (I can count 4), and the home health places, hospices, etc... The point is this island has a community college that spits out 40 something new grads a year and this island is the perfect place for all the experienced nurses who want to live in the sun (there are tons) and the foreign nurses and don't forget the online schools.
Now on Oahu there are many places to work but there are several universities and over a dozen community colleges with RN programs. The last person I talked to about the wait list said it was like 3 years. The saturation of all types of nurses is astounding. Perhaps the baby boomers will all drop sick but I doubt it since they are all very health conscious as far as I've seen.
This political nursing bull that's being fed to the public about nursing for over 20 years just changes the rhetoric to fit the situation. Now they hang their political hat on the baby boomers retiring. It's the same song just a different tune. Don't bet on it.
Sep 13, '11 by XXWeaponXQuote from hotflashionYeah, the job climate SUCKS, no matter where you are. So what I would reccomend with research is NOT applying for positions like "coordinator," for 2 reasons: the position that you want is called "MP-Medical Personnel" This is the work that is done by LVNs/RNs on research studies. This is how you get your foot in the door for jobs like "protocol director" and "project manager". Coordinator positions are really hard work, for infinitesimal money, so you don't want to get in the door like that. Here is a site of that a doctor I know from another site started: http://www.nonclinicaljobs.com/ Maybe that will be helpful for you. I definitely understand your pain- while not exactly the same, my situation is similar. I am an LVN and ridiculously grateful that I a) have a job as an LVN b) work in research at a job I enjoy and c) really want my RN & MSN, and want to go back to school, but I am terrified to walk away from my job. On one hand, I have a job, and I'm beyond fortunate, on the other hand, that job is preventing me from following my goals, and on still another hand, if I follow my goals, there's no guarantee I'll ever find work again. It's all very frustrating.Research is one of the areas I have an interest in, but rare is the job that does not require experience in that setting. I have tried to get hired as a clinical research coordinator (I would be very happy to start there!) as a way to get my foot in the door, but when I finagled a conversation with the hiring manager (after she'd evidently decided not to interview me), she told me outright that she wouldn't hire me because once I found an RN job I would leave and she wanted someone who would stay 2 years.
I keep trying. I will keep trying. But it's a grind. And I hate being in limbo.
Sep 13, '11 by diva rnQuote from EmergencyNrseNO jobs for new grads in Florida...what makes you think that there are? I have friends in So Fl that graduated in Dec 2010 and are still looking. The market is saturated.While it's human nature to complain I find it odd that so many "new grads" continually sit in a saturated market and complain there is no work.
If I were an auto worker sitting in Detroit wondering when I could get hired building cars when no one is making cars I would have the same complaint.
Here's a suggestion: Go where the jobs are...
Florida, California... Hell, Texas is begging for nurses. Houston, Dallas, Killeen/Waco. (Waco was even offering money to relocate. When's the last time you've seen relocation money?)
2009 and no job??? Laughable...
Sep 14, '11 by gettingbsn2msnIf you cannot find work you ned to contact your congress. They believe we have an emergency shortage of nurses hense house bill 1929: i recently attended a townhall meeting in my state and they said i should have my pick of jobs. This is why they want to import 20000 foreign nurses.
Sep 14, '11 by holisticallymindedYeah right. I'm almost 38 and had 10 years of experience in another healthcare field. I was lucky enough to find a LTC position in my state of WA but I sure as hell can't move away for better work in my super-RN-saturated city! I have a house, a kid in school, a husband with a job we can't afford to leave, etc. Who but a fresh new 20-something grad can just move away for work? And does that work? I've certainly relocated for work in the past and it was HARD. Good luck to all!
Sep 14, '11 by PreepsHmm. I was initially reading your post with empathy and understanding. Top of class, lots of extra activities, and the seeming motivation to plug away and do what it takes to find employment. Good on ya.
But unfortunately when I got to the last few sentences of your post I thought I might understand the problem. Let's see: critical of other nurses that you don't even know (based on hearsay from PCTs??) Really? You deam others who have (the job you want) a job as lazy, inept, and lacking.
If you come from a place of "I am the bomb" "first in my class" and think you are better, smarter, more caring than all the nurses currently employed maybe that is part of the problem. Maybe it comes across in the interiews. And yes, being older and overweight may play a part in not being hired. And that may not be fair but it is life. But I would work on the more sublte things. Maybe attitude and how you come across. Just a suggestion.
Sep 14, '11 by chuckster, ADN, BSN, RN, EMT-BQuote from gettingbsn2msnI think you are being charitable to imply that our elected representatives believe that we have an "emergency shortage of nurses". They pretend to believe it which gives them the cover for backing HR 1929. While the evidence is sketchy, I believe that the lobbying for this bill is for purely economic reasons: To keep or even increase the numbers of nurses in order to control costs.If you cannot find work you ned to contact your congress. They believe we have an emergency shortage of nurses hense house bill 1929: i recently attended a townhall meeting in my state and they said i should have my pick of jobs. This is why they want to import 20000 foreign nurses.
Nursing wages have increased quite a bit in the last decade and are now seen by many hospitals and health care companies as one of their primary cost drivers. In our open market system, the more attractive salaries draw more interest in nursing, which drives demand for more nursing schools, followed by increased numbers of nurses entering the practice and eventually the slowing or cessation of upward pressure on wages. This is market equilibrium and after a short period where supply and demand are in balance, the cycle would reverse. This is kind of where we are now in the economic cycle and in a truly free market, we would start to see a gradual reduction in the production of new nurses, in turn leading to a shortage and then eventually, a repetition of the cycle.
In my view, we no longer have that free and open market guided by the "invisible hand" that Adam Smith envisioned. Again in my view, our economic system is now much more plutocratic than capitalistic with large corporations and the wealthy now enjoying an almost unrestrained ability to manipulate the market to their purposes. So those large hospital corporations, insurance companies and other health care corporations continue to push the "nursing shortage" through their lobbyists and the mantra is picked up by legislators who are dependent on these companies for the cash needed to fund their election campaigns.
The end result is a bill like HR 1929, whose real purpose is to ensure the continuing oversupply of nurses in order to maintain wage pressure. A great side "benefit" of HR 1929 for its proponents is that potential nursing students continue to see government corroboration of the nursing shortage and so apply continuing pressure on nursing schools to maintain or even increase enrollment. Thus, the proponents of HR 1929 get the double benefit of both more foreign nurses and more domestic nurses in the job market. I believe that end result will be precisely what big health care wants: Continued downward pressure on nursing wages for a much longer period than would be the case in a truly free market system.
I frankly hope to be proved wrong in this but have the sinking feeling that I'm largely on the mark.
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Sep 14, '11 by mama_dYeah, the whole go where the jobs are thing just isn't realistic for many...even when I was young, there was no way I'd be able to relocate away from family and support system for various reasons.
You've probably already pursued this avenue, but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway...
What about a part-time job in a rural area? Even if a fair bit from where you live, if you could get two shifts a week back-to-back and stay in a cheap motel between those shifts, it could be workable. It was one of the things I looked into when I had to quit working agency many moons ago.
Best of luck to you and everyone else looking in this sucky economical climate. We're living on the edge constantly b/c although I have a full time job, hubby's been out of work for going on three years now. My step-kids mom is a SAHM, can't find employment that makes it worth while to work (she's got three besides my step-kids with her hubby) and her hubsand is employed in an industry where it's not unusual to get laid off for weeks at a time between jobs. There's been multiple times in the last several years that I've been the only one out of the four parents who was employed. It just sucks out there.
Sep 14, '11 by MissBrahmsRNTexas is not begging for nurses that's for sure. Texas is flooded with new grads & everyone with experience who can't get jobs anywhere else!! In my system we have 100+ people competing for one experienced slot in some cases..and there are zillions of new grads everywhere.
Sep 14, '11 by I'm_reillyUgh, the job market really is terrible, especially for new grads. And I completely agree about the unrealistic idea of moving across the country for jobs. I moved a couple states away and have spent almost a year looking for a job after looking at jobs in my home state. Now I'm out of money and have a SO, so moving would involve us both finding something in the same place and might be too expensive anyway.
After reading this thread and another one, I'm becoming increasingly interested in other areas of nursing, areas completely away from bedside nursing but that I could still use my degree for. I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get a job without any experience. Any ideas? Unlike the original poster, I have absolutely no experience in anything other than nursing school clinicals. Are there other parts of the medical field I could get into? Non-nursing areas but that are willing to work with someone with a BSN?