Maintaining the license without work, and a general rant

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So, I'm one of those once-upon-a-time new grads who is no longer a new grad but who has been unable to find employment. I'm building this little patchwork of short term employment situations (camp nurse, flu shot nurse) and was idly looking at the requirements for licensure in a neighboring state recently when I saw that this particular state has, as part of its maintenance requirements, in addition to CEUs, a practice requirement. To wit, 400 hours. And if you do not have the 400 hours you are required to take a refresher course.

My state appears to be a little lax in the keep-your-license-active department, 15 CEUs every two years. For this I am thankful, even though I actually think it is wise to require a minimum number of hours of practice. But I wonder how many of us are going to fail in this regard because WE CANNOT FIND WORK?

400 hours = 40 hours/week for 10 weeks. I guess being a flu shot nurse might get you there.

- Graduated May 2009

- Excellent student, top of the class

- Revived the student nurse's association

- Got a nationally known speaker on nursing to come to campus, offered CEUs for attendance at her lecture

- Received the department's highest award for academic, clinical, and leadership excellence

- I've taken a refresher, I volunteer at a free medical clinic and as a vigil sitter in the palliative care program at a continuing care community; took a medical Spanish class last year; occasionally attend grand rounds at local teaching hospitals in areas of special interest.

- "Mature," i.e., old, and overweight. I'm working on the weight thing; down 15 lbs so far, thank you Weight Watchers. Can't do anything about the age, though I have considered, for the first time ever in my entire life, dying my hair.

What was I thinking, going back to college in my mid-50's? I get the occasional interview but never seem to click.

Hey, you, hiring managers: I thumb my nose at all of you who will not hire me because I have no experience. I hear horror stories from friends who work as PCTs (because they too cannot find jobs but were smart enough to be working as PCTs before they graduated) about the bad behavior of many of the nurses they work with: mocking their patients, speaking of them derisively, not attending to a particular patient because they don't like them, and in general doing as little as possible because they want to be in Facebook or fooling around online. Why are personal devices even allowed on the floor? Oh, because nobody hires real live people to answer telephones anymore. Duh. God help me if I ever have to be in a hospital and have no one to advocate for my care.

Off for my morning walk, it'll probably cheer me up.

Specializes in Critical Care.

I'm shocked with all your credentials you still can't get a full-time job! Age discrimination may be a factor, I would dye your hair to look younger. Where I work, we have a lot of older nurses, most dye their hair. In fact only one has gone grey! Sometimes if I wait to long to dye my hair, I'll get a comment from a coworker pointing out my roots are showing, like I don't know and can't see them in a mirror! I like to color my hair personally, but it is expensive so I try to minimize how often I do it. While age discrimination exists even in nursing and you can see some hospitals that have almost all young fresh faces, there are places that hire older nurses. Check out AARP magazine/online because they rate older friendly businesses. Look at the places you are applying, stroll in and check out the staff, if you can find one with older nurses and not all young focus your efforts there.

Also expand your Job Search to nursing homes, long term care, and research the managers. If you know there names many times you can google them or check them on linked in or pipl.com and learn a little more about them professionally and then you can contect them directly and request a job.

What about all the places you have been volunteering or working short gigs at can you get help from anyone there re a job. Perhaps a doctor at the clinic has his own practice or can at least give you a reference for a job! What about agency if you can get a foot in a place thru agency, and people get to know you, that can be an in for a job!

I'm really shocked that so many nurses are have trouble getting jobs, but I guess this is not really surprising thinking how many college grads can't get decent jobs, even with business degrees and how many law grads can't get jobs. So many schools offer nursing programs and more and more nursing schools are opening up I guess that's causing a glut of nurses. You may have to be open to relocating if that's possible!

What are you doing now for money and health insurance? Did you have a job you quit before nursing? Is there any way to go back to that?

Honestly, I'm older and still have 20 years to go and I wonder how I will make it. Eventually I would even consider a non-nursing job for better working conditions if it paid a living wage, but how many jobs like that exist in America today! I'm trying to get my mortgage paid off before I retire and sooner would be better, because then I wouldn't have the same money pressure as I do now.

California begging for nurses? No way. Certainly not for new grads! Also flooded with experienced nurses from low paying southern states who chasing the $. Also re: moving where jobs are - hiring managers are becoming reluctant to take on new grads from high wage states because they know there is a higher probability of those RNs returning to their state of origin once they have that golden 6-12 mos. experience. They want people who will stay once trained. Can't blame they for that.

Specializes in Psych, CD, HIV/AIDS, Complex Medical CM.

You are getting jobs like Flu shot nurse, and things like that. Have you considered to focus your job hunt outside of acute care? You are getting jobs, it is clicking with some interviewers, which means you'd click with others. Consider working in an medical clinic, prison, jail, or research environment instead of a hospital.

Also, what about registries?

Specializes in ICU.

I find it interesting how many times it's suggested that older RNs looking for work, should focus on nursing homes. :rolleyes:

While it's human nature to complain I find it odd that so many "new grads" continually sit in a saturated market and complain there is no work.

If I were an auto worker sitting in Detroit wondering when I could get hired building cars when no one is making cars I would have the same complaint.

Here's a suggestion: Go where the jobs are...

Florida, California... Hell, Texas is begging for nurses. Houston, Dallas, Killeen/Waco. (Waco was even offering money to relocate. When's the last time you've seen relocation money?)

2009 and no job??? Laughable...

Don't suggest coming to CA expecting a job. There are tons of new grads pouring into the job market every few months who can't find work in addition to the very experienced who can't find work.

Specializes in Foot care.
Here's a suggestion: Go where the jobs are...

Thank you for your compassion. I do agree with what you say but find the way you said it quite offensive.

At least some of the profs at my alma mater now advise their students to go where the jobs are. However, in 2008, 2009, it was not yet known (or perhaps not yet acknowledged) within the protected, hallowed walls of my college that there was a saturation. I was unlucky enough to do my practicum at a hospital that shut down its new grad program before I had a chance to apply. I am in my late 50's and happily tethered to a man who makes an excellent income; WE are not pulling up roots to take a > 50% reduction in household income. Now, that would be stupid. Yes, I could move away from my home and relationship to find a job. I considered it. I decided I didn't want to do that. It's not entirely off the table, hence the reason I was looking at a neighboring state's licensing requirements. I guess I'm just not that desperate yet.

Specializes in Psych, CD, HIV/AIDS, Complex Medical CM.
Don't suggest coming to CA expecting a job. There are tons of new grads pouring into the job market every few months who can't find work in addition to the very experienced who can't find work.

Yeah, seconding this. I really want to go back to school for my MSN/RN (I'm an LVN). But I'm scared that I will leave my LVN job only to find that I can't get a job as an RN.

Specializes in Foot care.
I find it interesting how many times it's suggested that older RNs looking for work, should focus on nursing homes.

Yeah, that is kind of funny. I could work there and then just move in, in a few years.

Specializes in Foot care.
You are getting jobs like Flu shot nurse, and things like that. Have you considered to focus your job hunt outside of acute care? You are getting jobs, it is clicking with some interviewers, which means you'd click with others. Consider working in an medical clinic, prison, jail, or research environment instead of a hospital.

Also, what about registries?

I have given up thinking I have the remotest chance to work in an acute care setting. I don't really want to work in an acute care setting anyway, I realized this after a year of concentrating my Job Search on hospitals. I still think that 1-2 years acute care experience is a good base, maybe even the best, but it's just not going to happen. I have applied to many different settings: LTC, rehab, long term acute, sub-acute, abortion clinic, assisted living, psychiatric hospital, well known health care for the homeless program in nearby Bigtown, public health, VA. My latest targets are community health centers/clinics because I think that is the type of nursing I want to do and the population I want to work with. I don't know what a registry is, but it sounds like an agency; agencies in my area do not want nurses without experience.

As for prison nursing, I've been on two tours and had one interview. The first prison was a federal prison and the physical requirements are quite rigorous! Since my goal is to get fit this year, it's possible that I would be able to be in shape enough to complete the almost-like-basic training required. The other tour and interview was at a state prison for women; they gave me a 5 minute interview (TYVM), and I obviously didn't have what they were looking for. Research is one of the areas I have an interest in, but rare is the job that does not require experience in that setting. I have tried to get hired as a clinical research coordinator (I would be very happy to start there!) as a way to get my foot in the door, but when I finagled a conversation with the hiring manager (after she'd evidently decided not to interview me), she told me outright that she wouldn't hire me because once I found an RN job I would leave and she wanted someone who would stay 2 years.

The last interview I had was for a part time position at an adult day health center. Not my first choice, but I would probably enjoy that population. The hiring manager told me she didn't want to hire a new grad but she'd only received applications from new grads. I thought I did well on the interview, but never received a call back. I did not pursue it because I was wary of being dropped into a situation without adequate training. (Already been there done that, it was dangerous and I got out after 4 weeks.)

I keep trying. I will keep trying. But it's a grind. And I hate being in limbo.

Specializes in ICU.

Sad to say, but a lot of it probably is your age. They keep wanting to raise the retirement age, but the truth is that once you get in your 50's, it is much harder to find a job. Not just in nursing, but in everything. It is ridiculous for people to say "just move." I have a job, but if I didn't, there is no way I would consider moving away from my family and home.

Specializes in Public Health, School, Camp.

I'm only 24 and am in the same boat. I doubt it's only age related. I am even willing to move and have not had luck going that route. It's a tough job market out there right now.

Yeah, seconding this. I really want to go back to school for my MSN/RN (I'm an LVN). But I'm scared that I will leave my LVN job only to find that I can't get a job as an RN.

Read a post just yesterday from an LPN who got an RN license and is now unemployed. One of my employers told me that when the RN license came along, I would have to go get a year's experience with another employer before they would consider giving me work as an RN.

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