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  1. chuckster

    Need Help-RN to BSN online program

    The distinction between on-line and traditional classroom programs is essentially one without a difference these days. In fact, many brick-and-mortar schools have both programs and the diploma you receive makes no mention of which route you took to get the degree. Though there are many on-line MSN programs as well, you will probably not be able to get to NP or CRNA via this route due to the clinical component. Kaplan is one of the for-profit schools that have proliferated in the US in recent years and is owned by the Washington Post Company (Kaplan actually produces the bulk of the profits for the company). I am not sure what Kaplan's reputation is but in my view, the biggest negative - and this is the same for most of the for-profit schools - is their high tuition cost. There are quite a number of schools with on-line programs that have decent reputations and are affordable. The ones I know about include: Ohio Univer, Kent State Univer, Fort Hays State, Univer of Wyoming, Univer of Texas-Arlington, SUNY-Delhi and Thomas Edison. The tuition at all of these schools is under about $225 per credit (some are quite a bit less than that) versus $450 to over $600 at the for profits. Of course, many traditional schools charge high tuition as well. If you do a search on this forum, you'll find a lot of additional information. You indicated above that you plan on continuing your education with an eye toward NP or CRNA. If that is the case, you should look for schools that are both nationally and regionally accredited. While the accreditation has no real bearing on the quality of the education, some MSN programs require both accreditations for admission. Many schools, including some of the for profits, have both, as do all of the schools named above.
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    At my age, should I forget about upper level degrees?

    Education debt is different than other kinds of debt and is not dischargeable should you run into financial difficulty, so the advice about not getting too deeply in debt is applicable no matter what your age. As to the ADN, it may not be sufficient to allow you to find a nursing job in some geographic areas. In many parts of the country, while employers will hire experienced ADNs, the minimum education credential for new hires has become the BSN. It's well worth closely examining the job market in your area or where you eventually intend to work. Full disclosure: I'm older than the OP and fully intend to go on for my MSN. Just need to find someplace with education benefits who'll hire an inexperienced ADN in my neck of the woods (see the second paragraph above). I made peace a long time ago with the likelihood of never being able to formally retire however . . .
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    I think the lack of response tells me all I need to know about the benefits of PSNA . . .
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    An interesting view of just how bad things are...

    The US Government website estimates that the debt will be ~ $15.5tn at the end of FY2011 (31 Oct 2010) - which of course would be signifiicantly in excess of the present national debt ceiling ($14.3tn). As with many complex things though, it's dangerous to simply cite a figure without any context. How much of the national debt is Gross debt and how much is Net? Of the latter, how much is monetized? What is the present Debt to GDP ratio and how does it compare to other times in US history? The point is that the size of the debt is meaningless without knowing the answers to other important questions (and the list above is by no means comprehensive). I don't want to start a political debate but will say that it's worthwhile to look into the economics behind both increases and decreases to the national debt and which leaders and parties were in power at what times. I think you'll find the answers surprising.
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    Is there anyone in PA who is a member of PSNA (PA State Nurses Assoc)? While the organization looks to be worthwhile, the cost is pretty substantial and I'm just wondering what the benefits of membership are.
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    Ohio University RN-to-BSN Program

    Just following up with any potential students planning on starting with the first summer session on 20 June: Has anyone heard anything from OU? The one and only e-mail I received stated that I'd hear back in late May (which I would think 24 May qualifies as) but that due to their new process and system, that may be pushed back to June. I'm really curious to see what the evaluation looks like but after waiting for more than 4 months, it would be good to hear something, anything at all from OU.
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    All Philly accel bsn programs- info

    If cost is an issue - as is the case for most of us - you may want to consider getting your ADN through your local CC, then doing an RN-BSN program such as U Wyoming, U Texas-Arlington or Ohio (these are the least expensive that I know of - I'm sure there are others). Once you've gotten all the pre-reqs such as A&P, mirco, nutrition, etc out of the way, most CC tuition for nursing is only a few thousand dollars. The programs I mentioned above are in the $5k to $7k range, so you could complete your BSN for significantly under $10,000 - or less than the cost of one semester in the Penn or Drexel BSN programs. Not trying to discourage you from either program - I'm actually a Drexel alum - just trying to let you know that there are less expensive alternatives available.
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    The small stuff really counts, can it save healthcare jobs?

    madwife2002 wrote: Perhaps it's my Dutch ancestry but I really hate waste and really get why watching the small stuff is important. What I've never been able to understand is why austerity is applied so selectively and never seems to reach up through senior management. When I was in the army, we NCO's lived by the saying "Lead By Example". Our soldiers saw that we made even more sacrifices than we asked of them, that we put their welfare ahead of our own and that they were never asked to do something that we hadn't already done ourselves. How different this is to most of corporate management. Perhaps if the sacrifice started at the top, it would be easier to get those lower down the rungs to understand.
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    Ohio University RN-to-BSN Program

    Is the only clinical in the RN-BSN program at UWy was the one associated with NURS 4975 - Professional Practicum: Community-Focused Nursing? If it's really 120 hrs - which would be ~8 hrs per week for a 15 wk semester - that's significant and may actually make the program not viable. There are 23 nursing programs in my area and most of them are finding it increasingly difficult to schedule clinicals with quite a few hospitals either sharply reducing the numbers of nursing students they will allow or in some cases, refusing to allow students at all (or at least those from the area's ADN programs). The chances of individual students getting hosted are slim to nearly non-existent.
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    All Philly accel bsn programs- info

    I was accepted into the Jeff accelerated BSN/MSN program for second-degree students some years back but did not attend. I needed a part-time evening/weekend option which Jeff nominally has. They neglected to tell me until after I applied and was accepted that only the MSN courses were offered eves/weekend. I believe that the full-time tuition when I applied was on the order of $25k per year - I'm sure that's increased quite a bit. Jeff may well be the least expensive of the 3 programs phillygirl mentions, but all are quite costly. I believe that Drexel also has an accelerated program but I know that their tuition is over $600 per credit. Frankly though, I'd be surprised if that's much different than Villanova or Penn. You may also want to check to see if Temple has an accelerated program. If they do, they would certainly be the least expensive.
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    Ohio University RN-to-BSN Program

    Yes to both. OU has been around for a very long time (I think over 200 yrs) and is a state-affiliated brick-and-mortar university, primarily focused on traditional classroom rather than on-line programs.
  12. chuckster

    We're not leaving until Mama's in a home

    Eligibility for Medicaid requires that recipient basically spend down all of their assets first (I believe you are allowed to keep a total of $10,000). There is also now a 5 year reach-back period, meaning that if the applicant has given any assets to others in the previous 5 years, those too must be used up before you are eligible. Also, Medicaid is not likely to cover many aspects of home care - I believe each state defines what they'll cover but typically, it's limited to those costs associated with medical care, such as physcian and nursing visits, testing, some equipment or pharmaceuticals, etc., not the ancillary costs of caring for someone at home. Ironically, Medicaid often covers most of the cost of nursing home care, which is usually far in excess of the costs associated with caring for a loved one at home. Of course, almost no nursing homes will take Medicaid patients: Most LTC's - and certainly the better ones - will admit only pataients with significant amounts of assets that must be assigned to the facility. Once the assets have been exhausted (which happens rather quickly since the monthly charges can easily run to $12,000 or more), then the facility will accept Medicaid. Great system, isn't it?
  13. chuckster

    ADN or BSN...how much does it really matter?

    Ahem (sound of throat being cleared) - some of us nurses leave the seat up when we exit the water closet . . .
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    The Great Recession's lost generation

    It was employers who first broke the compact with workers and started treating employees as commodities rather then people. Unfortunately for the US workforce, employers hold all the cards at the moment. When things pick up, we can only hope that employers reap what they've sown. Another old saying also comes to mind: Turn about is fair play.
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    Ohio University RN-to-BSN Program

    Thanks again. Aspen is certainly worth a look but I think may also be difficult to work out relative to FNP. I had a chance to check out the U Wyoming program and have to say that I wish I knew about this program before I applied to either OU or UT-A. The first impressive thing is that you can actually pick up the phone and speak to someone at the school who is knowledgeable about the program - unlike the other 2 schools where you can't get through to the nursing office at all and have to talk to an "enrollment advisor". It was also pretty impressive that the person on the other end of the line was honest and sincere, not just knowledgeable. And a bonus: The cost is less than either OU or UT-A. The only wrinkle is that if I wait to hear back from OU, I'll miss the UW deadline. I'm going to search through the archives here on AN to see what others are saying about UW but it certainly seems that it's worth applying there.