CNO refuse to take CRNE. - page 2
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I am a nurse in the philippines. I also have experience. Im also registered nurse in NEW York City. Before I move here in Canada, I send my credentials to CNO including endorsement of license from the US. I submitted my... Read More
- 2Oct 19, '12 by Clyde027The CNO has the legal mandate to regulate the nursing profession in Ontario and for internationally-educated nurses to be able to practice in the province, you have to be able to meet all their requirements. Fortunately, perfect command of the English language is not one of them. I've worked in the US for a number of years and some American nurses can't even spell or write grammatically-correct sentences to save their own lives. A handful of native English-speaking nurses I've worked with are so incompetent, one would wonder how they got out of high school. I'm Filipino and, except for the last five years, I have lived all my life in the Phils. I will never be better in English than the native speakers but I am certainly a better nurse than some of whom I've worked with.
The CNO evaluates your credentials and they make recommendations based on the information that has been submitted to them. As a governing body, they determine whether you can demonstrate safe nursing, so start from their recommendations and move from there. It will take you more time, effort and, sadly, more money to get your Ontario nursing license but with the CNO giving you specific instructions, at least now you have a sure plan in place.
- 1Oct 21, '12 by PiRNAGREE!! It just that some people in this site criticize other as if they are the FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE of this world. To tell them, English is not only one way for you to be competent and be a great nurse. Most of the people who are not fluent in English are the one who excel and competent in nursing. I am proud to be an Internationally Educated Nurse from the PHILIPPINES...
- 9Oct 21, '12 by ceridwyn GuideIf you are not a good communicator in the country you are working, you are not a competent nurse.
Not only do you need to communicate well with your patients - and they can have all types of accents speaking english (if we are discussing english speaking country) but you need to speak clearly and precise to all colleagues and medical staff - and this means on the phone as well, which is where many fall down, in non and emergency conditions as well as the natives, even if you are from the Phillipines.!!
Been there, done that, been in coroners court with overseas educated nurse that had no idea, in emergency situation, what anybody was talking about and took no responsiblity because they were proud of where they came from professional....not.
I can speak french, very well, but would not think myself a competent nurse, in any french speaking country. As i have never had a french test.
I can be as proud to be as I like....I tend to think Australian Nurses are best and proud of it......but if they cannot speak the overseas country's language, fluently and pass language tests for said country they want to work, then they are not competent.
They may just be great in all nursing skills only - and thats being task orientated not giving holistic care and dangerous with misscommunication.Last edit by ceridwyn on Oct 21, '12
- 1Oct 23, '12 by vaio.I beg to differ from your point of view about the competency in language,to practice nursing.To me,one has to be competent in the given language,in which they practice nursing.It is vital to communicate effectively and clearly with clients and other members of health team.Last edit by Silverdragon102 on Oct 23, '12 : Reason: TOS see next post
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- 1Oct 25, '12 by RL657The ability to communicate using the English language is truly essential if we want to deliver patient-focused care.I looked at communication skills as an ingredient in providing safe care to all patients.I have dealt with so much issues from patients and family members about nurses not being able to communicate the right message to them. The patient becomes frustrated because he did not get what the staff was trying to say and it will trigger an atmosphere of mistrust which we would like to avoid.Not to mention ,I have to deal with my physician who is the first to knock at my door if during a family meeting the nurse uttered or used an inappropriate word or term. I made it a point to sit down and coach my staff before any meeting. I inherited nurses from diffferent backgrounds from previous patient care manager.I work with them in improving their confidence and ability to deliver key messages during rounds,meetings and other interactions. Communication is indeed a big issue and though we are not expecting staff to have perfect command in English ,it is an expectation that as nurses we deliver the right information and accurate key messages to the patient,the family and the interprofessional team that we working with.
As we all know,we have geared away from thinking that nursing competency is all about our skills in doing nursing procedures. Nursing has evolved and so as professionals we are expected to participate in on-going team meetings,family meetings,rounds and etc..Nurses need to speak up,voice their concerns and be the patient adovocate.Indeed with all these things going on,a nurse must have certain level of English fluency to successfully integrate in the healthcare environment and work with patient,family and the team.
Nevertheless, IEN's do not despair that English is not our first language. It may take time and lots of effort but it is doable. Take time to listen to shows that are in English,converse in English as much as possble or ask help from your former professors who are willing to help you on this quest. It is not going to be easy but be positive about it. If there is the will to do it,then there will always be a way.
- 0Oct 25, '12 by Clyde027The issue here is not about who is the best nurse, but that someone has just ridiculed and judged an IEN because that person cannot communicate in perfect English. While communication is important, it is not the end all and be all. It may be the most obvious skill you must have as a nurse, but you have to have the knowledge and physical skills to be competent. That's why all the licensing bodies don't tell IENs, "okay, as long as you can speak in English, you can be a licensed nurse." No, they have standards that you must meet, often more stringent than what local nurses go through. Let me ask you this, "Has anyone ever died because of frustration? Has anyone ever lost a limb because they were told an inappropriate word?" I can understand that nurses have greater roles now beyond hardcore skills, but to pick on those who cannot speak English perfectly is idiotic and asinine.
- 3Oct 25, '12 by loriangel14 GuideI disagree. Being able to communicate is a safety issue.Giving instructions to someone or trying to provide information or education to a patient is ineffective if they can't understand you. I once was receiving report from a nurse from another facility over the phone and I literally could not understand a word she was saying.I felt terrible but I had to ask her to put someone else on the phone. What would happen if it was an emergency position and there was no one else to communicate with but a nurse you couldn't understand?
I agree we shouldn't be mean and launch personal attacks on people but I feel it is wrong to suggest that being able to speak and understood in English is not required.