How are Schools getting away with pumping out so many new graduates for no jobs? - page 3
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Question: How are Schools getting away with pumping out so many new graduates for no jobs? Thoughts: My first thought on this is that there is a lack of education or better yet lack of information discovered by students... Read More
- 4Jan 8, '13 by nurseladybug12Everyone has the right in our country to pursue happiness- so if that means becoming educated as a nurse because that was their life long dream, helping people is their passion, or they feel that they will be more financially stable as a nurse, that is their choice as it was yours, before and after you made that choice. It is also their responsibility to find a job for themselves afterwards. I was educated in CT and I had to move to FL where there is a severe nursing shortage in order to have a job, and I am glad I did. There are many people from many walks of life that have much to offer their future patients. These people are excitedly preparing to enter nursing school, or about to finish school, and some of them may be smarter, more compassionate, more passionate about nursing, and make better nurses than the ones educated before them. It is their right to out-compete you if necessary if that is what you are so worried about.
“Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.” -Mark Twain
- 4Jan 8, '13 by Beautiful Mind-Good point of view, but...here is my opinion:
The media will always be the media. They tend to exaggerate about a lot of things. However, there is always a need for nurses, especially with the baby boomers starting to age (gracefully, of course). As with any job, you have to hunt for it. Which brings me to my next point...
As someone stated earlier, 'schools provide education' and support for the student to help them try and find a job...but they do not guarantee one. Most students who are headed off to nursing school are competent, responsible adults, it is their responsibility to understand what they are getting into...
If you ask the right questions and do all the required reading, a prospective student will be more than aware of the pros and cons of going to nursing school.
I should know, because I am example of one.
As a final thought: I think we are all capable of deciphering truth from... exaggerated details. Whether it be information we see in the news or the fluffed data(advertisements) we get from schools.
- 8Jan 9, '13 by ElizaWThere ARE jobs out there in some parts of the country. I had a job offer two weeks after I started my search. It wasn't exactly my dream job, but it pays well and I'm learning every day. What more can you ask for?
The newly licensed nurse might not be able to waltz directly into the maternity ward. He or she might even have to consider re-locating. But if someone really wants to be a nurse, there's a way to make it happen. The days of huge sign on bonuses and 24 for 40 might be over, but there are jobs to be had.
PS to hey_suz: I paid for my education out of my own pocket - every penny of it. They don't give grants to people who already have a degree.
- 7Jan 9, '13 by Aurora77Schools exist to make money. If people are willing to hand over their tuition dollars, the school will take it. It's up to the individual to research the job market where they want to work. I don't feel bad for someone who didn't do basic research and is now paying the price.
- 1Jan 9, '13 by joanna73 GuideThe only way to limit the number of new nurses each year is for the individual state BON to limit the number of licenses granted to nurses. However, schools and the Boards of Nursing make huge revenues, so for the most part, they don't care if there is a glut of nurses. They want your money. Eventually, there will be a nursing shortage, but not for many years. For now, there is a shortage in rural areas, but that's a sacrifice that many people are not willing to make.
- 4Jan 9, '13 by joanna73 GuideAfter re-reading some of these posts, I would also like to share that I relocated for my first job. I had a job before I graduated because I took the first offer I received. Why? I didn't care what, or where it was....I wanted to start gaining experience immediately, and paying my loans. Was it my "dream" job? No. But so what? I've learned valuable skills, I learned to enjoy my job, and 2.5 years later, I have more options than a new grad. What some people fail to realize is that if you're not working, you're not in the game. There are many jobs for nurses, even in this economy, but you need to be flexible and proactive. Nursing school provides a piece of paper....not an actual job.
- 0Jan 9, '13 by MBrickleFirst, most people I know never expected to have to move to get a job... not after my first undergrad degree at least, but then again I am in Boston which is a larger city.
That being said, my area has an insane number of colleges, many of which are turning out nurses. We also have more hospitals than the average location. I chose to go the ADN route and that is my only issue. It was at the time when the BSN-only protocol was being implemented. My only other option was to pay $50k to do an accelerated program through Mass General. No thanks, I will take my $9k degree that I paid for.
Despite living in an area that is especially impacted by the nursing shortage, everyone I graduated with got a job within 4 months or so, with the exception of two people who took 7 to 9 months (yet I question their dedication to the job search compared to others.)
Rest assured, the serious people will stay in nursing, while the others will move on.
- 4Jan 9, '13 by Esme12 Senior ModeratorSimple answer.....greed. The next financial crisis is when the unemployed nurses that took out thousands of dollars in loans for the for profit schools and $50,00 to $70,000 dollar associate degrees....can't pay their loans.
- 0Jan 9, '13 by akaniniI live in NY city where it's becoming hard for Asociates nurses to find a hospital job. I have a Bachelors in another field, which doesn't matter for the hospitals. Now with that being said, every new grad, I'm sure, was offered a job, even if its not their dream job. I made $26 as an LPN and my first RN job was offered $30 an hour. BSN wasn't required. I refused the job. While I may be hungry, I'm NOT starving. The point I'm trying to make is, not everyone's first job might be ideal. I was an LPN for four years before becoming an RN and I chose to be picky. I'm sorry. I know my stuff and others have told me I'm a good nurse. I agree with the previous posters that the schools cannot be blamed. Their job is to educate, not dish out jobs. We have to research and make the right choices, NOT rely on a school to find us jobs.
- 2Jan 9, '13 by subee1. Raise the bar for entrance. A semester of organic chem and physics wouldn't kill anyone. Criminal background checks so grads don't
have to find out AFTER they've graduated that they can't take the NYCLEX.
2. Up the ante for the RN exam by making it more difficult. Those that can't pass it can take an LPN exam and work as LPN until they
can pass their exams. It's a little too easy because I'm always flummoxed by nurses who are very experienced who know so little.
We can't control numbers by limiting programs but we can by demanding smarter students.