Losing my religion

Ah, the lively religious debate. As nurses, we all take care of a multitude of patients, all with specific, and sometimes not so specific, emotional/spiritual needs. And unless one works within a religious entity, here's my take on why a nurse's own religion needs to stay in the nurse's personal life. Nurses Spirituality Article

Ah, the lively religious debate. As nurses, we all take care of a multitude of patients, all with specific, and sometimes not so specific, emotional/spiritual needs. And unless one works within a religious entity, here's my take on why a nurse's own religion needs to stay in the nurse's personal life.

1. Patients do not come to a facility seeking religious conversion. So a nurse should never take advantage of the fact that patients can be fragile, they may be in the bargaining portion of their grief process, and they do not give medals for saved souls.

2. Patients in general have their own set of religious values, beliefs, circumstances therefore, do not come into a facility to be converted into a nurse's own. If you are somehow "appalled" at someone's religious traditions, know your resources, and how to contact them to assist the patient.

3. If faced with a patient that is life or death, they have stressors that the nurse can empathize with, but we really have not a clue the unique circumstance that a patient is feeling. Act ethically as a nurse, not the time to push religious agendas.

4. We are required to meet the spiritual needs of a patient. Not ourselves.

5. Patient have the right to change their mind. When faced with a life and death there are and will be patients who decide to drop their religious restrictions. It is their right to do so. Please do not try and then convince them otherwise.

6. There are multitudes of people in the facility, the community, who know a heck of a lot more about one's particular religion than perhaps the nurse does. Use them.

7. It is interesting to know and understand someone else's religious beliefs. So take note for future reference. There are multitudes of religious and variations thereof in the world, so it can only help next time if a nurse has a general idea.

8. It is a huge grey area to participate in a religious act while someone's nurse. A nurse can pray for someone privately at home if you are so inclined.

9. There are certifications for nurses to become religiously affiliated should that be your forte.

10. Be respectful, but set limits to your participation, to your thought process in religion, and always have a plan "b".

If you are not comfortable with providing certain care due to your own belief system, then what? Always have a plan of action if this is the case. Remember, you may have a patient who is not religious at all. That requires just as much respect and support as the devoutly religious.

Compassion and empathy are not exclusive to any particular religion dogma, or no religion, nor will a nurse particularly "go to Hell" if they are providing ethical care to a patient. Patients have choices, and if a prudent nurse is acting in the best interest of what a patient wants for treatment at any particular point in time, all the better for it.

You have yet to see one family member who was offended for two reasons:

1 - Christianity is the dominant religion in America;

2 - Most people are too polite to stand up for the dignity of their beliefs in a sickroom.

You weren't there the day my mother threw out the hospital preacher who wanted to pray over my comatose father. That guy probably will never forget that experience. I will never forget it either. Seeing it from my mother's point of view has made me a better, more culturally sensitive nurse.

Your attitude offends me, and I haven't even met you. Allow people of other belief systems to maintain the dignity of their beliefs. If the most important calling in your life is to spread the word of Jesus, go be a nun or something similar.

In my 10 plus year of working in the medical field I have yet to see one patient or family member who were offended.

Specializes in Critical Care.
You have yet to see one family member who was offended for two reasons:

1 - Christianity is the dominant religion in America;

2 - Most people are too polite to stand up for the dignity of their beliefs in a sickroom.

You weren't there the day my mother threw out the hospital preacher who wanted to pray over my comatose father. That guy probably will never forget that experience. I will never forget it either. Seeing it from my mother's point of view has made me a better, more culturally sensitive nurse.

Your attitude offends me, and I haven't even met you. Allow people of other belief systems to maintain the dignity of their beliefs. If the most important calling in your life is to spread the word of Jesus, go be a nun or something similar.

Hmm, who made you a Judge over deciding why people are offended or not? You're offended over my attitude? What are you going to do over your attitude that offends me? Or does the world revolve around you now?

Funny thing is that I live in the south as well and I do not seem be in the same Deep South as you are. It seems more acceptable here to pray and if someone told the surgeon they would rather not then he wouldn't. Not all prayers are said out loud. I can pray all day long for you and you not know. Don't assume someone who prays for their pt is forcing them to hear something they don't want to.

I didn't assume that the prayers were out loud. You explicitly stated that your guy asks if he can pray with them, and they all say yes. Yes, I know you can silently pray for people, and that's fine. Nobody is saying that's wrong. It may not be what the patient wants, but if s/he never knows about it, I don't see how it's a problem.

The problem the article addresses only comes when nurses actually talk to the patients about religious beliefs of their own when the patients have not asked for the nurse's opinions. It's the difference between, "Do you have any spiritual needs I can help you with today? We have an excellent chaplain in the hospital, and we can make calls to a priest, rabbi, monk, or somebody else if you'd like." and, "Hey, I just wanted to pray with/for you today because I see you're suffering and could really use some help from the Lord." One is appropriate, one is not.

It does sound like an old Soviet Union in the way that every mention of religion was prohibited in the public square.

This comparison already fails. As has been made clear multiple times, the only thing being opposed here is telling sick patients about your religious beliefs when they have not asked. It's not about religious persecution -- it's about equality for everybody. Some people don't share your beliefs, and they don't want to have to hear about them from you. I don't think it's asking much of you to give me the same consideration I do you. I honestly believe that people who buy into religion are incredibly silly and need to find better ways of giving meaning to their lives. I would never run around trying to share my version of "truth" with others unless I was asked. It would be rude and proselytizing. It doesn't make it any less rude/proselytizing when you do it just because "Jesus told you to".

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

Most people are too polite to stand up for the dignity of their beliefs in a sickroom.

Or they are too sick or stressed to say anything. Why any nurse would interject their personal religious beliefs in such a situation is beyond me, if the patient didn't indicate a desire to talk about it.

Should a patient come here and compare such an intrusion to living in a totalitarian theocracy? Obviously not, but it is no more absurd than saying that doing one's professional duty to put the patient first in religious matters is comparable to persecution of Christians.

I'm not seeing where anybody is saying you can't pray silently because that would be pretty pointless . . .mind-reading not part of most people's skill set.

Specializes in Critical Care.
I didn't assume that the prayers were out loud. You explicitly stated that your guy asks if he can pray with them and they all say yes. Yes, I know you can silently pray for people, and that's fine. Nobody is saying that's wrong. It may not be what the patient wants, but if s/he never knows about it, I don't see how it's a problem. The problem the article addresses only comes when nurses actually talk to the patients about religious beliefs of their own when the patients have not asked for the nurse's opinions. It's the difference between, "Do you have any spiritual needs I can help you with today? We have an excellent chaplain in the hospital, and we can make calls to a priest, rabbi, monk, or somebody else if you'd like." and, "Hey, I just wanted to pray with/for you today because I see you're suffering and could really use some help from the Lord." One is appropriate, one is not. This comparison already fails. As has been made clear multiple times, the only thing being opposed here is telling sick patients about your religious beliefs when they have not asked. It's not about religious persecution -- it's about equality for everybody. Some people don't share your beliefs, and they don't want to have to hear about them from you. I don't think it's asking much of you to give me the same consideration I do you. I honestly believe that people who buy into religion are incredibly silly and need to find better ways of giving meaning to their lives. I would never run around trying to share my version of "truth" with others unless I was asked. It would be rude and proselytizing. It doesn't make it any less rude/proselytizing when you do it just because "Jesus told you to".[/quote'] If you would have read my whole post in context it would have made sense to you. I never advocated for "running around" and proselytizing, and I did say that when patient or family is interested then I share. My biggest witness to my Christianity is my attitude at work towards coworkers and patients and my work ethic. If I'm the best employee I can be then the people will notice and will want to find out more about who I am and what I stand for.
Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

These posts are always polarizing...religion is a very personal topic and always highly debated.

I am always respectful of every religion and all beliefs ...or lack there of....for it isn't about me....it's about them....the PATIENT.

I am confused when people demand tolerance yet throw an opposing clergy out of a hospital room or feel in some way they must educate a complete stranger about the benefits for Jesus Christ. I also realize that when people react strongly it is out of grief and I take no personal offense....again is isn't about me because I am the nurse.

When my BIL lay dying I accepted all prayer for I needed all the help I could get, from what ever source possible, to help give my sister and my nieces find strength and peace for death was inevitable. I was not offended that the clergy in house was not of my specific religion. For I always had the opportunity to politely decline.

What is important is that religion...it is for the PATIENT, about the PATIENT, about what the PATIENT needs. It has nothing what so ever to do with the nurse other than what is important to the patient. I have been in rooms when prayers of many kinds are prayer and blessings given.......whether or not I agree is of NO consequence....I bow my head out of respect for my PATIENT and the family. REGARDLESS of their beliefs or lack of beliefs.

We need to be RESPECTFUL at ALL times especially of each other.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

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Even though I am a Christian, I believe in all paths lead to God. I will not share my religion with a patient unless they ask. I believe that the way I live my life and treat others is the greatest testimony to my religion. I will to myself pray for patients and will pray with patients if they ask. I try as best I can to accomodate any religion or lack thereof. I agree with everyone else...it is not about me. No matter where you came from, what you have done in life (good or bad) or what/who you believe in, once you are on my unit I will give you the best possible care I can.

I dont think any religion was lost here.......just sayin.
And that is rude and inappropriate

Proves a point in spades....one is a Christian selectively. So be what you are here or in your own world, but not when you go to work.

Doesn't matter what I am, what you are, what anyone is.....it's all about the patients.

Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.
And that is rude and inappropriate

Proves a point in spades....one is a Christian selectively. So be what you are here or in your own world, but not when you go to work.

Doesn't matter what I am, what you are, what anyone is.....it's all about the patients.

What was rude and why was it inappropriate?

The quoted part of "don't think any religion was lost here".

I need to lose my religion when I go to work every day. But I can find it again quickly when it is my time, and not the patient's time.

I find it interesting when someone believes themselves to be Christian, then does/says a number of things that specifically the Bible says they should not. However, much like I have stated, what one believes has no place in someone's hospital room initiated by a nurse.

Specializes in Critical Care.

I find it very interesting that the people who scream the loudest about "leaving your religion at home" don't think that there is anything wrong with speaking profane at work when patients can hear them, talking about their drinking binges, discussing politics when patients are clearly uncomfortable, or sharing their marital/relationship problems with patients by bashing the other side, and there are many other examples.