Losing my religion

Ah, the lively religious debate. As nurses, we all take care of a multitude of patients, all with specific, and sometimes not so specific, emotional/spiritual needs. And unless one works within a religious entity, here's my take on why a nurse's own religion needs to stay in the nurse's personal life. Nurses Spirituality Article

Ah, the lively religious debate. As nurses, we all take care of a multitude of patients, all with specific, and sometimes not so specific, emotional/spiritual needs. And unless one works within a religious entity, here's my take on why a nurse's own religion needs to stay in the nurse's personal life.

1. Patients do not come to a facility seeking religious conversion. So a nurse should never take advantage of the fact that patients can be fragile, they may be in the bargaining portion of their grief process, and they do not give medals for saved souls.

2. Patients in general have their own set of religious values, beliefs, circumstances therefore, do not come into a facility to be converted into a nurse's own. If you are somehow "appalled" at someone's religious traditions, know your resources, and how to contact them to assist the patient.

3. If faced with a patient that is life or death, they have stressors that the nurse can empathize with, but we really have not a clue the unique circumstance that a patient is feeling. Act ethically as a nurse, not the time to push religious agendas.

4. We are required to meet the spiritual needs of a patient. Not ourselves.

5. Patient have the right to change their mind. When faced with a life and death there are and will be patients who decide to drop their religious restrictions. It is their right to do so. Please do not try and then convince them otherwise.

6. There are multitudes of people in the facility, the community, who know a heck of a lot more about one's particular religion than perhaps the nurse does. Use them.

7. It is interesting to know and understand someone else's religious beliefs. So take note for future reference. There are multitudes of religious and variations thereof in the world, so it can only help next time if a nurse has a general idea.

8. It is a huge grey area to participate in a religious act while someone's nurse. A nurse can pray for someone privately at home if you are so inclined.

9. There are certifications for nurses to become religiously affiliated should that be your forte.

10. Be respectful, but set limits to your participation, to your thought process in religion, and always have a plan "b".

If you are not comfortable with providing certain care due to your own belief system, then what? Always have a plan of action if this is the case. Remember, you may have a patient who is not religious at all. That requires just as much respect and support as the devoutly religious.

Compassion and empathy are not exclusive to any particular religion dogma, or no religion, nor will a nurse particularly "go to Hell" if they are providing ethical care to a patient. Patients have choices, and if a prudent nurse is acting in the best interest of what a patient wants for treatment at any particular point in time, all the better for it.

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

While I do not disagree with the overall content of your post, OP ... some of what you cover reflects your own personal view/faith expression/understanding. Telling another nurse that "they don't give medals for saved souls" or stating what will or will not result in an individual "going to Hell" is just as much an imposition of your own personal views as a nurse who would, say, initiate prayer or suggest that a patient follow a specific course of action.

Specializes in Med Surg.
Sounds like a mind set of people from the old Soviet Union from where me and my family escaped. Sad to see this mind set taking place in this country. We should all be able to freely express our views. And I don't mean that we should be forcing our views on to our patients, but there is no wrong in sharing what you believe and why.

Many of my patients ask me why me and my family moved to this country to which I reply because of religious persecution of Christians in the former Soviet Union.

The OPs post does not sound anything like the "Old Soviet Union." If it does, please indicate how so, and be prepared to defend your claims.

You said, "There is no wrong in sharing what you believe and why."

There is a massive amount of wrong in your statement! If I have a dying patient whose family is praying it would be incredibly wrong for me as a secular humanist/atheist to "share what I believe and why" with that family. Can you even imagine how much trouble an atheist would be in for doing something so cataclysmically stupid?

Same goes for if a Christian does the same thing. It isn't oppressive and it isn't unfair to expect the same consideration from Christians as you would from an atheist.

Specializes in Med Surg.
While I do not disagree with the overall content of your post, OP ... some of what you cover reflects your own personal view/faith expression/understanding. Telling another nurse that "they don't give medals for saved souls" or stating what will or will not result in an individual "going to Hell" is just as much an imposition of your own personal views as a nurse who would, say, initiate prayer or suggest that a patient follow a specific course of action.

I'd like to examine your claims above.

1. Do they or do they not "give medals for saved souls"? Yes or No.

2. Under any belief system, will a nurse "Go to hell" for providing ethical care? Yes or No.

The propositions you brought up have answers that are not, as you say, "an imposition of personal views."

I second THIS.

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I will input I felt the post was consist, neutral and provided sage advice. :yes:

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Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.

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This whole post stinks of an argument against religion. Baiting people to argue with the OP. There was no article to read, just a personal opinion piece. Trolling is another word that comes to mind. Should you preach to your PTs? No I do not believe so. Can you pray for your PTs? Yes. Do you have to pray for them at home? No. Not all prayers are spoken out loud. I pray for PTs everyday. Pray that they make it through surgery and that I do no harm. Surgeons I work with ask their PTs if they can pray with them before surgery and all of them have said yes when I have worked with him.

Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.

Don't know why I thought something said there was an article. Apologies for that sentence.

Specializes in NICU, Infection Control.

Your job as a nurse is to support the patient and his/her beliefs. Not to expound your own. Of course you can pray for and with patients--IF that is what they want. Most do. Some do not. Respect that. Take care of them as you would anyone else.

It's not a slam against you or your religion if they don't want to pray w/you. Some areas of the country and some cultures, it would be considered intrusive and rude to insist that any person pray or listen to scripture, whatever. What if your patient is Buddhist, Shinto, Islamic, espouses indigenous spiritual beliefs, etc.

It's not "argument against religion", it's a statement of what goes where. Take care of the patient. If they request spiritual support and you are able to give it (and you have the time!!), great. If they don't ask, don't impose your belief system on them.

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You seem to believe that either truth is relative (if you believe something it will be real) or that all religion is false so it does not matter what one believes. I believe there is a spiritual truth that governs this world for everyone whether they believe it or not and I want everyone to find that truth. I believe that truth is found in Christianity. Do I walk into every patient's room and tell them my spiritual beliefs?, no. Do I share my beliefs with patients who want to talk about spiritual matters? You bet I do. Do I pray with patients who want to pray? Yes. Do I pray my patients will come to see the truth about Jesus? Yes I do because I believe it is true. When I see posts like this I feel people are trying to bully those who take their spiritual beliefs seriously into staying silent. I can either listen to you or Jesus who said go and tell the good news to everyone.

While I do not disagree with the overall content of your post, OP ... some of what you cover reflects your own personal view/faith expression/understanding. Telling another nurse that "they don't give medals for saved souls" or stating what will or will not result in an individual "going to Hell" is just as much an imposition of your own personal views as a nurse who would, say, initiate prayer or suggest that a patient follow a specific course of action.

The point of my post is that I may reflect to other nurses, however, be mindful what you reflect to patients.

This whole post stinks of an argument against religion. Baiting people to argue with the OP. There was no article to read, just a personal opinion piece. Trolling is another word that comes to mind. Should you preach to your PTs? No I do not believe so. Can you pray for your PTs? Yes. Do you have to pray for them at home? No. Not all prayers are spoken out loud. I pray for PTs everyday. Pray that they make it through surgery and that I do no harm. Surgeons I work with ask their PTs if they can pray with them before surgery and all of them have said yes when I have worked with him.

First off , no trolling here. Secondly, my own personal religious beliefs or lack thereof are of not a bit of a diffference in providing competent, ethical care. Came to me from another debate pages and pages in length about certain religions in critical care or other areas where nurses decline to take an assignment based on their OWN religious beliefs.

You seem to believe that either truth is relative (if you believe something it will be real) or that all religion is false so it does not matter what one believes. I believe there is a spiritual truth that governs this world for everyone whether they believe it or not and I want everyone to find that truth. I believe that truth is found in Christianity. Do I walk into every patient’s room and tell them my spiritual beliefs?, no. Do I share my beliefs with patients who want to talk about spiritual matters? You bet I do. Do I pray with patients who want to pray? Yes. Do I pray my patients will come to see the truth about Jesus? Yes I do because I believe it is true. When I see posts like this I feel people are trying to bully those who take their spiritual beliefs seriously into staying silent. I can either listen to you or Jesus who said go and tell the good news to everyone.

But it has no place in an employment who's patients are made up of many, many religious. Or none at all. Not everyone in the world is a Christian, nor does everyone believe in Jesus. And to suggest to a patient who are vulnerable, at their worst, and ill that they convert because of your personal beliefs is outrageous, rude, and highly inappropriate.

Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.

First off , no trolling here. Secondly, my own personal religious beliefs or lack thereof are of not a bit of a diffference in providing competent, ethical care. Came to me from another debate pages and pages in length about certain religions in critical care or other areas where nurses decline to take an assignment based on their OWN religious beliefs.

I didn't say your care was substandard. I have never had someone refuse to treat a pt based on religious beliefs. Some religious beliefs confuse me like: Jehovah witnesses can't take blood transfusions but organs are ok. But I have never refused to take care of them. If someone does then they should be fired and replaced.

Same thing for prisoners. I don't know what they did nor do I want to know what they did.

Politics is the same thing. I had a pt press me about Obama and didn't like that I didn't believe he was the greatest person who ever lived.