Got an email saying that we are encouraged to have our MSN by 2017

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Anyone else got this bomb dropped on you?? Partial tuition reimbursement will be given. I thought that getting a BSN would keep them happy. When will it be encouraged that we are all NPs or PAs or MDs?

I do not understand why there is so much resistance to simply ENCOURAGING professional nurses to increase their education?

Is it mandatory? NO

Do they reimburse tuition? YES

Why does every get so uptight? They are being ENCOURAGING. Be happy that a facility does not see the professional registered nurse as some drug slinging, bed pain emptying, doctor assistant, ignorant person little better than our TV personas.

I wonder if OP works for Dignity Health? As a part of the clinical ladder program they are going to mandate BSNs, or at least be enrolled in a program in order to participate and that MSNs are required for higher levels within the program.

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Specializes in PCCN.

They said partial tuition reimbursement. Even if it was 1/2, the colleges around me charge around 30+ thou per year for masters work. I know I'm in no position to get another loan of any sort. Not to mention,will the "increase " in pay offset the outlay of loans? probably not. They can encourage all they want. I'm encouraged to stay out of debt.

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Specializes in orthopedic/trauma, Informatics, diabetes.

I was hired as an ADN and I am at a magnet. I have started an RN-BSN but it is a crap program. I may just go on and apply for admission to an MSN with the education track (I have a Masters in teaching). If I am going to work this hard, spend the money, I may as well put myself in a position to have more options.

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Specializes in Vascular Access.
I'm confused,..my MSN will make me a NP,...and I won't be working as a bedside RN any longer,...not sure what you are talking about? Where is this?

I thought that a Nurse Practitioner was two additional years after the MSN??? Tell me if I am wrong.

TY

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Specializes in Med/Surg, LTACH, LTC, Home Health.
They can encourage all they want....who would do that an work nights, holiday and weekends.

Something pushed out by academics to ensure their own job security.

Unbelievable....another push to remove RN's from the bedside and have them "overseeing" non licensed personnel....:no:.

Who's gonna give the meds, take care of the patients? They want LPNs out; they want ASN-RNs out; now they want BSN-RNs out. Are the MSNs to take the place of all of those positions, with the physicians over-seeing them? At my job, a MSN nurse won't even go into an isolation room...they go get the charge and let the :poop: slide downhill.

This is crazy! I say we send a few emails ourselves to academics and suggest that come take care of the patients while we meet these continued irrational encouragements. (Or ignore them altogether!) I always say, 'the more you give, the more they want'. Judging by their theories, we will be back in the days of Little House on the Prairie before long, where only a doctor laid hands on a patient and the family was the nurse. But the good thing about it is that we will all be doctors!;)

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Specializes in Float Pool-Med-Surg, Telemetry, IMCU.

That's ridiculous! My place of employment is currently pushing for magnet status and we have all been strongly encouraged to get our BSNs. I had been planning on doing that anyway so I applied and got into the RN-to-BSN program in what is considered one of the better nursing schools in the country. The classes are appalling. I mean, really, really bad. In one of them we split up into groups and were told to make a tower out of dried spaghetti and marshmallows as part of a "team building exercise". BS-n is right! :poop:

There is absolutely zero that I am learning that I feel will make me a better nurse and I am bitter about the fact that I could be getting med-surg or wound care certified right now instead of wasting my time on this crap.

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Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

MEC028 - LOL. That really does put the BS in getting the BSN.:roflmao:

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Specializes in Neonatal Nurse Practitioner.
I thought that a Nurse Practitioner was two additional years after the MSN??? Tell me if I am wrong. TY

A lot of NP programs award an MSN. Once you finish the MSN program, you are an NP. Some award a DNP.

Some people who have an MSN in something else (education, administration) will attend a post-master's certificate program to expand their role and become an NP.

But no, NP does not have to be two years additional to a MSN degree.

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Who's gonna give the meds, take care of the patients? They want LPNs out; they want ASN-RNs out; now they want BSN-RNs out. Are the MSNs to take the place of all of those positions, with the physicians over-seeing them? At my job, a MSN nurse won't even go into an isolation room...they go get the charge and let the :poop: slide downhill.

This is crazy! I say we send a few emails ourselves to academics and suggest that come take care of the patients while we meet these continued irrational encouragements. (Or ignore them altogether!) I always say, 'the more you give, the more they want'. Judging by their theories, we will be back in the days of Little House on the Prairie before long, where only a doctor laid hands on a patient and the family was the nurse. But the good thing about it is that we will all be doctors!;)

Because encouraging MSNs is the equivalent to wanting BSNs out of the hospital. :sarcastic:

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Specializes in Psych.

All I can say to this is that the nursing profession is what is because nurses have allowed it to happen. We only have ourselves to blame.

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All I can say to this is that the nursing profession is what is because nurses have allowed it to happen. We only have ourselves to blame.

The nursing "profession" is not even considered a "true profession" simply because we have not taken control of our educational standards. We are getting better but until our profession sits down and sets universal standards of education for entry into the profession we are simply an occupation.

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Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
I'm joining the group reserving judgement until we get more details. However I don't view more education as a bad thing. More education can open more doors than less. I am currently in an MSN education program. I still intend to work at the bedside after graduation, but my goal is to also add an adjunct faculty position and then, as I age and maybe can no longer handle the physical aspects of bedside nursing, to transition into a full-time education position. Do I need that MSN to work bedside? No, but it's a personal satisfaction/growth and planning for the future kind of thing.[/quote']

Agree...I'm thinking about getting my post baccalaureate certificate in education right now as I gain my experience as a new RN, at least within the next two years, then towards NP classes within 10 years...I love the bedside right now; still have to look towards the future. :yes:

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