Colorado - Illegal Immigrants no longer eligble for state health care - page 2

Effective Aug. 1, state services, including the state health plans and welfare, will no longer be given to illegal immigrants in Colorado. This law, enacted by Gov. Bill Owens, in considered the... Read More

  1. by   fergus51
    Wow... who would have thought I would agree with Timothy?
  2. by   Mayflye
    Just a note...my friend's father is an emergency room physician in Mexico. They do not treat Americans with no insurance (they get lots of vacationers there)..even on an emergency basis. Cash only.
  3. by   flashpoint
    Emergently, everyone is going to be treated...even if only to the point that life threats are corrected. But...illegal imigrants in Colorado are not going to get their tonsils out...they are not going to get free antibiotics or allergy meds or B/P meds or statins. They are going to have to pay for their insulin. They are not going to get free school physicals or sports physicals. They are going to have to pay for things that are not taken care of in the ER...
  4. by   gr8greens
    Quote from Mayflye
    Just a note...my friend's father is an emergency room physician in Mexico. They do not treat Americans with no insurance (they get lots of vacationers there)..even on an emergency basis. Cash only.
    I say let the USA do the same thing. America should not treat Mexicans with no insurance.....even on an emergency basis.....cash only. :caduceus:
  5. by   fergus51
    Great, now we wanna be just like Mexico.
  6. by   emsrn1970
    Mexico might just be on to something. I would rather it be like mexico in the U.S. than like it is here in Canada.
  7. by   romie
    I am the director of an Dementia unit and we were suckered into accepting a patient who ended up being illegal and ineligible for medicaid. So now we are stuck with this patient, who currently owes the facility over $100,000, absolutely no family involvement because they are afraid of being deported. To me, that $100,000 represents the salaries of at least 4 more full time CNAs, which I feel my residents desparately deserve. This illegal resident is taking away a valuable medicaid bed to a deserving citizen!
  8. by   hogan4736
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    But if you leave the door to your wedding wide open, AND make no real attempt to distinguish between your wedding guests and the crashers, isn't this a problem of your OWN making? Indeed, if you leave the door open BECAUSE you were hoping for uninvited guests to fill out the 'party' (for whatever reason, maybe you were just hoping the wallflowers would get invited to dance), isn't that DOUBLY your fault that indeed, they come in to do just that?

    ~faith,
    Timothy.

    yes we opened our doors...

    but where does personal responsibility come in?

    In "Cinderella Man" Braddock returned the money the state gave him, after he became a success...My point is, is it okay to keep taking from the taxpayers, and sending the cash money you earn (possibly under the table) back home?
  9. by   gauge14iv
    Quote from hogan4736
    yes we opened our doors...

    but where does personal responsibility come in?

    In "Cinderella Man" Braddock returned the money the state gave him, after he became a success...My point is, is it okay to keep taking from the taxpayers, and sending the cash money you earn (possibly under the table) back home?
    No - however -

    Since we enable them to do just that, then we have created the situation to alllow it to occur. We are reaping what policy has sowed. We have created an antire population of dependant people and told them it's ok - heck we have even ENCOURAGED it!
  10. by   weirdRN
    I think that until we as a nation decide what is good for us and make it impossible for special intrest groups to influence the decisions made by politicians, there is not going to be a fair or equitable resolution to this arguement.

    How much money do we send over seas everyday?

    When will Social Security become insolvent because of it?
  11. by   charebec65
    Quote from Mayflye
    Just a note...my friend's father is an emergency room physician in Mexico. They do not treat Americans with no insurance (they get lots of vacationers there)..even on an emergency basis. Cash only.

    How very true..... we were talking to a friend of ours the other day who is getting ready to go to Mexico. Someone she knew had gotten hurt while doing some kind of water sport while he and his wife were in Mexico and needed emergency treatment. The hospital required a $10,000 CASH payment up front before they would treat him!!!!!
  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from TheCommuter
    No offense is intended, but I wholly agree with this new law. I am from California, a state that has been financially devastated by providing costly services such as healthcare, education, and social programs to illegal immigrants.

    Six years ago I was a grocery store clerk in a city that had a large immigrant population. I would cash the payroll checks of these individuals who always provided a resident alien card as a form of identification. The groceries would be paid for with food stamps, the baby formula and cereals would be paid for with WIC vouchers, and a welfare check would be cashed at the end of the entire transaction. The aforementioned scenario would occur multiple times throughout my workshifts at the supermarket. My honest opinion is that illegal immigrants utilize more services than they reasonably pay for.
    I may be wrong but think the same people cashing payroll checks probably didn't cash a welfare check at the end of the transaction.

    A person with a valid resident alien card is not an illegal immigrant.
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    Definition of Common Immigration Terms
    Immigrant =green card holder=resident alien=permanent resident an alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence. Essentially has the same rights and obligations as a U.S. citizen with the exceptions of voting, holding certain public offices and employment by federal agencies in civil service positions.
    http://www.grads.vt.edu/igss/general...finitions.html

    Here is the UNC-OP definition for Resident Alien - Persons who are not citizens or nationals of the United States but who have been lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States and hold a "green card" - Form I-151. and who have been admitted as legal immigrants for the purpose of obtaining permanent resident alien status
    http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/tools/attrition/index.htm
  13. by   gauge14iv
    Quote from spacenurse
    A person with a valid resident alien card is not an illegal immigrant.

    They could be an illegal immigeant if they used fake documents to obtain that card.

    By the same token - the immigration system is very difficult and expensive to navigate. If we want them here legally - that would be easy enough to do - we could have them be protected by wage and labor laws, paying taxes and paying for the sersvices they receive - making the immigration system easier to would be one way to do that - but then they would no longer be a cheap source of slave labor.

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