"I don't know who to vote for?" - page 3

:stone The "Bush" commercial says that Kerry is against things that would help our military heroes. The "Kerry" commercial says that Kerry has a purple heart and wants to help our military heroes.... Read More

  1. by   renerian
    Neither

    renerian
  2. by   Blackcat99
    Thanks for your messages. I use to be politically active when I was a young woman.Unfortunately, all my candidates turned out to be "crooks" After getting burned too many times I decided I had had "enough". Yes I will try to take some time and find out more information. There are so many important issues but I really do want to support our troops. I guess I'm a "single issue" voter.
  3. by   mattsmom81
    Sometimes I am disillusioned by politicians as well, but have decided they are a necessary evil.

    I vote for the candidate who most closely matches my own belief system and try to look at a broad range of issues rather than a few that might personally impact me.

    Someone who is not sure who to vote for should start by reading political platforms to see where they fall in beliefs...each candidate will follow party line in many instances when push comes to shove. In other words even you liked Clinton as a person, if you have conservative beliefs you aren't likely to care for his decisions in office as they will follow the liberal Democratic idea of how to get things accomplished and what is important.

    To the OP: try not to listen to propoganda is my advice...there is a lot of it out there.
  4. by   mariedoreen
    LOL -- AMEN !

    Quote from mjlrn97
    Then again, I'm not sure I want Bush to turn his attention homeward......everytime he does, we get things like the overtime bill, or the mess with Medicare, or more ridiculous hoops to jump through at the airport. :stone
  5. by   mariedoreen
    I really don't quite see what the big thing is on this.. Why do we seem to think that to have love for our country we must blindly embrace any war the sitting administration should choose to embark on? Kerry apparently became very disillusioned by this war.. he was there, he experienced it, and he understood it on a level that only other Vietnam vets will ever understand. Perhaps he felt disgusted at the fact that he was being rewarded for atrocities he would rather not have been forced to commit? To each his own, dissent is the highest form of patriotism after all.. we shouldn't be so quick to root for blind nationalism. Always question, question, question.

    Quote from LPN/RDHNanaWantsToGo
    Not the one who came back after getting his medals and threw them away, saying he and others in the military committed atrocities.... he insulted Vietnam military personnel. Not the one who has not served his constituents by being there to vote for issues...EXCEPT against Partial Birth Abortion (which we ALL know is NOT EVER done to save the life of a mom if we are honest.... slowly inducing labor when a C-Section is KNOWN to be the choice if things go sour. OH, but that could save BOTH Mother AND baby, right? Duh... )

    No, I don't think standing on his medals warrants a single vote for him. Even he did not value them... or did he? Did he really toss em, give em back, or did he toss someone else's and save his own while saying....
  6. by   LPN/RDHNanaWantsToGo
    Quote from mariedoreen
    I really don't quite see what the big thing is on this.. Why do we seem to think that to have love for our country we must blindly embrace any war the sitting administration should choose to embark on? Kerry apparently became very disillusioned by this war.. he was there, he experienced it, and he understood it on a level that only other Vietnam vets will ever understand. Perhaps he felt disgusted at the fact that he was being rewarded for atrocities he would rather not have been forced to commit? To each his own, dissent is the highest form of patriotism after all.. we shouldn't be so quick to root for blind nationalism. Always question:uhoh21: , question, question.
    Two things:
    He said he tossed his medals, then later said he tossed someone elses's. Hence, the or did he? Dissent from things is one thing. Dishonesty another all together.
    Many of the Nam Vets he served with have been objecting to his using group pictures of those he served with because of the things he had said about what they did, etc, which they say did not take place, and they are speaking out about it. The original question was, "Which candidate do you think will help our military men and women the most?"

    When those men who object to having him use their photos in ads have been speaking about their objections, they themselves do not feel he will support our troops because they feel let down and even betrayed by his actions in the past.
  7. by   mariedoreen
    Quote from LPN/RDHNanaWantsToGo
    When those men who object to having him use their photos in ads have been speaking about their objections, they themselves do not feel he will support our troops because they feel let down and even betrayed by his actions in the past.
    Thanks for the clarification. At this point, with regard to the concept of honesty and which administration would be better for our troops however, I have far more questions about Bush's agenda for Iraq than I do about Kerry's medals for bravery.
  8. by   Owney
    Quote from LPN/RDHNanaWantsToGo
    Two things:
    He said he tossed his medals, then later said he tossed someone elses's. Hence, the or did he? Dissent from things is one thing. Dishonesty another all together.
    Many of the Nam Vets he served with have been objecting to his using group pictures of those he served with because of the things he had said about what they did, etc, which they say did not take place, and they are speaking out about it. The original question was, "Which candidate do you think will help our military men and women the most?"

    When those men who object to having him use their photos in ads have been speaking about their objections, they themselves do not feel he will support our troops because they feel let down and even betrayed by his actions in the past.
    If Kerry tossed somebody else's medals they were GIVEN to him by another combat Vet to toss.

    I, like Mr. Kerry, saw the folly of a war for hearts and minds up close and personal. I was at first OUTRAGED when blanket amnesty was given to Viet Nam draft dodgers. After thinking about it, I realized that Martin Luther King, Muhammed Ali, and Jane Fonda were correct. John Kerry gave testimony to the US Congress that, "How can you ask a man to be the last to die in a war that we know is wrong?"

    Which lie is most reprehensible, tossing somebody else's medals, saying, "I never had sex with that woman", or the plethora of lies that we were told to invade Iraq?
    :uhoh21:

    While I do not believe Kerry's solutions are better than Junior's, it's hard to see how they could be much worse. My biggest nightmare is that Kerry gets elected, gets his friends back into congress and they adopt the same "public be damned" attitude of the incumbents.

    The closer you look at government the uglier it looks.
    :angryfire

    I think the best survival strategy is to view politics as pure entertainment. I do resent the MILLIONS spent for the flatulent nonsense "messages" they send us.
    :hatparty:

    I always vote, but each time it becomes harder. It's like using the WC--hold your nose and pull the chain!
  9. by   ChrisA
    Quote from LPN/RDHNanaWantsToGo
    When those men who object to having him use their photos in ads have been speaking about their objections, they themselves do not feel he will support our troops because they feel let down and even betrayed by his actions in the past.
    You can find a group of people to support or protest any position. As much respect as I have for all veterans, and the opinions of some of them about an event that happened ages ago really has no bearing on the question you reiterated.

    "Which candidate do you think will help our military men and women the most?" What do you mean by "help"? Getting them home as quickly as possible and not committing them to more poorly planned wars? Sending them the armor and intelligence they need? Giving them more pay? Ensuring that those who come home are not cast aside as so many veterans of the Vietnam conflict were?
  10. by   Energizer Bunny
    Just so everyone knows...this has been discussed on other threads as well and you could do a search to get in a lot of reading of different viewpoints on just about every issue you could imagine.
  11. by   donmurray
    I believe the "Washington Post" has the latest news on how GWB plans to "help" veterans next year.
  12. by   Mkue
    Don, that "eye" is really creepy
  13. by   julieftRN
    Quote from mjlrn97
    There's a new spot taking Bush to task for ignoring the needs of AMERICANS while pursuing fame and fortune in the Middle Eastern desert. That one points up some of the issues he's completely blown off, like jobs and improving access to health care for the 40+ million Americans who are uninsured.

    Now, I don't decide who to vote for by the ads, but this one, which ends with "Shouldn't Bush make AMERICA a top priority?" gets to the point with minimal B.S.

    Then again, I'm not sure I want Bush to turn his attention homeward......everytime he does, we get things like the overtime bill, or the mess with Medicare, or more ridiculous hoops to jump through at the airport. :stone
    This is exactly what I dont understand...First liberals say that he is making enemies with everyone, then you say he is in the middle east "pursuing fame and fortune"...which one is it??? And you honestly think Bush isnt making America his top priority and that there are no jobs??? Where are you getting your facts??? Then you say Bush focusing on the American people would be a bad thing because of "more ridiculous hoops to jump through at the airport", what in the world do you want? Dont you want safety? Or do you just want to blame the Bush administration if we have another attack because it doesnt sound like you want him to try to protect us americans.Sounds like your flip floping to me.

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