Young, Thin, and Cute New Hires - page 3

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My workplace, a freestanding specialty hospital owned by a for-profit corporation that operates multiple facilities across the United States, has been having recent troubles with low Press Ganey patient satisfaction scores. This... Read More


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    I came into nursing as a 2nd career. First career paid 2 x as much and didnt have to deal with miserable old nurses.

    When i tell people i was in pharma the automatically assume i was in sales because i look like a model. Hey their words not mine LOL!

    Anyhows, I think floors should have a good mix of younger and older nurses. Its nice when the older nurses can teach the younger ones!! As for patients who may give better ratings based on looks? I highly doubt that! Now if your a great nurse + great looks then thats wonderful. You can also be old fat slow and still be a good nurse if you want.

    On the other hand, I dont know how a nurse with 20+ years of experience who weighs 250lbs can be as agile and flexbile as me who is 130 lbs and works out. as for them hiring younger nurses, its because theres high turn around. My floor has hired 15 new grads and we are level 1 trauma center along with top 50 hospital rating.


    Who in their right mind would want to do floor nursing and blow out your back at the age of 40 with the need of nerve block shots? not i, thats why floor nursing is a stepping stone not a finally nursing career choice for me.

    And as for the miserable older nurses, find something that you enjoy doing and dont eat your young, because the young can eat you too


    ciao
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    Jenni811 hit the nail on the head, it's about $$$. Shockingly, inexperienced nurses (those with 1-3 years of experience) are cheaper to hire than an experienced nurse. Additionally, those coming out of nursing school are typically young and attractive as 22 to 25 year old females are apt to be. What I'll also say is that as a male I never had to deal with the garbage that the more... experienced... nurses dealt out to these new grads. That isn't to say I didn't hear about it, probably since I wasn't viewed as any type of threat to the pecking order. I even had one nurse tell me that the nurse manager was purposefully hiring attractive people to work the floor. That made me chuckle a little bit. What I'd suggest is to get over it. NOTHING good will come from being so superficial. Is it their fault that they're attractive? No. Is it their fault that they are young? No. Are you liable to let your jealousy over SUPERFICIAL things ruin some potential relationships? Yes. If you see that they are not acclimating the the job/culture (ie cell phone use while patients need something) let them know. I'll say though that you may need an attitude adjustment just as much as these new nurses because your feelings will translate in to actions in how you treat/interact with them... and then we'll get to read new posts about how we continue to eat our young.
    Last edit by DeBerham on Feb 28, '13
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    If good looks equals good patient outcomes... by all means, go for it.

    This is a for-profit hospital. Let that sink in for a minute. The hospital just employed another marketing ploy. Just like Victoria's Secret models and their perfect body sells to average consumers, who will most probably never look that good in a bikini.

    We say don't judge the book by the covers but we do it all the time. People who are deemed attractive, not necessarily young or slim, gets hired more than those who aren't. There are multiple studies about how attractiveness gets people more money and success in life.

    Is it wrong? I don't know. Is it the fault of the "attractive" person that s/he is perceived attractive? Is it the fault of the knowledgable nurse that her/his knowledge doesn't come across the patient? Is it wrong for a for-profit company to maximize the potential for earnings by hiring attractive people?

    It all comes down to, can these attractive nurses deliver safe patient care? And if they can, I don't see anything wrong about it. Because if they got hired by their looks, looks fade, everyone goes old and sooner or later, the new generation will come and take their spot.
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    I got hired because I am a guy

    My friends got hired because they are young and attractive

    Blah blah blah. This crap gets old
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    Quote from Jenni811
    I don't think it is about looks. We too have hired alot of young, female, smaller build nurses. The turn over rate in hospital is huge, what nurse in their right mind would actually WANT to go back to bedside nursing?? A nurse in their 40-50's has probably figured it out and has been at the bedside and wants to be done at the bedside. So they leave it up to the young ones who need to figure that out, and need to gain experience before going anywhere else.

    Oh trust me, i've heard our experiened staff joke around with things and let me tell you, it actually hurts. They all crack jokes about how it should now be a requirement that "You are under 30 years old, slim with brown hair and a bubbly personality." I fall under that category of "Slim, young, brown hair"...im not an idiot. but the question i have for them is, do you ever think to look beyond that?? How about the fact i graduated with a 3.7GPA and made the deans list 4 years running. how about the fact i worked nights as a CNA while attending nursing school? How about the fact i have worked my butt off getting certifications in things you probably never heard of. How about the fact that my computer skills are far more superior than the 50 year old they just interviewed that can hardly even type? Look BEYOND the surface of these people.
    Yes, i think hospitals are hiring young, new grads because the are cheaper. It's a smart business move. if i were running a business and had to pick between a 55 year old with a great personality, 25+ years of experience and wanting $30.00 an hour and a 24 year old with 2 years experinece with a great personality and wanting $24.00 an hour...i would choose the 24 year old. The hosptial wants great satisfaction scores. A Patient really isn't going to care how much experience their nurse has (to a certain degree). Their satisfaction scores come from a smily face, a good personality, friendly nurses, good customer service etc. I've never heard a patient give a hospital a low satisfaction score because "My nurse only had 2 years of experience." So the way hospitals are shifting now days...experience really doesn't matter. I can do the same exact tasks as any nurse on my floor.

    Im 24 years old, and i am already training to be charge nurse...i have an orientee with me that has a daughter 1 year old than me. Sure, she has admitted to feeling a little uncomfortable with me being her superior. She has stated once she got to know me that has changed. She has taken me seriously.

    yea i do feel a little offended beause people judge all these newbies coming in. Look beyond that, get to know them. No i do NOT have my smart phone out all the time. I am professional when i am at work. yes ill pull it out on my break...because that is my BREAK, that is my time for me to be me and do want i want to do for 30 minutes. So yea...all in all, i have to say hospitals are making a smart BUSINESS move by hiring young, new and eager nurses to work the floors. They are cheaper and can do the same exact thing as any other nurse on the floor. I'm probably repeating myself a lot but think about it...
    The ego that comes off on this post is overshadowing a great deal of your points. "having certifications you have never heard of" and "superior computer skills" of that of a 50 year old is telling. It is lovely that you are so certified and computer literate and "already training to be a charge nurse" but something to think about-- you are ignoring the moon to count the stars. When the poop hits the fan and you have a patient crumping, critical thinking under pressure is the most important quality. And that is learned by a more experienced nurse. And when someone is coding, they certainly don't think about kumbya moments, or how awesome one's hair looks when they are doing compressions. And no one smiles at a code. You can have 152 certifications, but unless one practices them, they are not worth the paper they are printed on. And rescue Annie and plastic appendages and power point presentations are not akin to the real thing in real life. No matter what they tell you. If your orientee is not a new grad, then by all means, learn from her and each "older" member of your team. Because when it gets down to the REAL reason we are all at work, experience DOES matter. And I have never heard a patient's family say WELLLLL that code didn't go so well, but gee whiz the nurse was sooooo bubbly, like a fresh spring day!!!!!
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    Quote from Jenni811
    It's a smart business move. if i were running a business and had to pick between a 55 year old with a great personality, 25+ years of experience and wanting $30.00 an hour and a 24 year old with 2 years experinece with a great personality and wanting $24.00 an hour...i would choose the 24 year old. The hosptial wants great satisfaction scores. A Patient really isn't going to care how much experience their nurse has (to a certain degree). Their satisfaction scores come from a smily face, a good personality, friendly nurses, good customer service etc. .
    Very true.

    It was a hiring technique several years ago, and apparently still is, hire for attitude (personality), you can teach the skills, you can't teach attitude.
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    The light bulb went on when I was in my 40s. I remember exactly where I was when I figured out this getting old thing was going to stink.
    I was waiting at an ice cream counter with my sister (also 40s). You know, where there's no definite line, and you have to rely on the person behind the counter to take orders fairly. When I was obviously next in line, the man behind the counter addressed the attractive young woman behind me, and ignored me as if I didn't exist. I remember my outrage and resentment towards the man and the blameless young woman.
    Only I didn't really view her as blameless. She took my place in line knowing it wasn't her turn. She ignored me too.
    While nursing isn't an ice cream counter, and we don't take turns, the same dynamic happens in my job. I think the only people who would argue that are either young or in management.
    Ageism is everywhere. It's not exclusive to nursing. We live in a society where you're measured by how you look, and not by what you know.
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    AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!! <sorry, had to get that out of my system>

    Why is fallacious reasoning becoming so commonplace? Where is some critical thinking in all this rhetoric?

    Increased age does NOT automatically result in expertise. I have encountered way too many 'experienced' nurses that are barely squeeking by (competence-wise). Proficient & highly expert people got that way by learning from their experiences... but this is a deliberate process, and some people are just not capable of this type of learning. Honestly, just published research has validated this - differences are due to the way our brains are wired.

    So - let's all just stop this bandwagon with competing poles of age, attractiveness, religion, political stance or whatever other demographic groups are wading in to say that they are "the best". Just Stop It! This has no basis in reality and promotes divisiveness among us when we should be promoting solidarity to safeguard clinical quality in the face of all the legislative insanity that is cascading out of DC.

    It's incredibly superficial to reduce 'satisfaction with nursing care' to the appearance of the clinician. To even consider this is unbelievably disrespectful to our patients and their families. They're smarter than that. C'mon - we're smarter than that... aren't we?
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    Quote from HouTx
    AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!! <sorry, had to get that out of my system>

    Why is fallacious reasoning becoming so commonplace? Where is some critical thinking in all this rhetoric?

    Increased age does NOT automatically result in expertise. I have encountered way too many 'experienced' nurses that are barely squeeking by (competence-wise). Proficient & highly expert people got that way by learning from their experiences... but this is a deliberate process, and some people are just not capable of this type of learning. Honestly, just published research has validated this - differences are due to the way our brains are wired.

    So - let's all just stop this bandwagon with competing poles of age, attractiveness, religion, political stance or whatever other demographic groups are wading in to say that they are "the best". Just Stop It! This has no basis in reality and promotes divisiveness among us when we should be promoting solidarity to safeguard clinical quality in the face of all the legislative insanity that is cascading out of DC.

    It's incredibly superficial to reduce 'satisfaction with nursing care' to the appearance of the clinician. To even consider this is unbelievably disrespectful to our patients and their families. They're smarter than that. C'mon - we're smarter than that... aren't we?
    I admire your passion, but you're wrong.
    I wish you weren't.
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    Most of us were young, pretty and thin but then age or babies or stress of nursing took its toll! If nothing else now there are so many things a person can do to improve your appearance such as chemical peels and plastic surgery, although thanks to peels and lasers etc surgery is not even needed in many cases. Unfortunately if the problem is weight gain that can be very difficult to fix short of gastric bypass or lap band, but look at the bright side if you're overweight it hides the wrinkles! I've heard lasers can literallly melt fat, now where do you find one that helps with a round face thanks to steroids? Also you can color your hair and even experiment with different shades! So look at the bright side!

    I don't mind working with the young "pretty" ones, they are usually friendly, happy and hopeful about the future and easy to work with, joking and brightening the place up! Most of them aren't planning to work bedside and are actively pursuing FNP!

    But you're right experience doesn't count, its only part of the package and what people see is more important. Might as well be practical and accept reality and do your best to look as good as you can, have a cheerful personality and network since friends and who you know are also important in getting new jobs and branching out!
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