- 0Aug 31, '09 by diane227We had an interesting situation on our unit and I would like to get some the opinions from some of you regarding this issue. I work on a 34 bed med surg ortho unit as the charge nurse. We had a CNA on our shift (male from Nigeria) who we LOVED. He was a wonderful employee and very fun to work with. He was always getting thank you cards from patients and families and patients would come up to see him after discharge to let them know how he was doing. His name always came up on our patient satisfaction scores. He was just great to work with.
The one problem that he had was that he was a bit of a flirt. He was a good looking guy and he would flirt with anyone who would flirt back. Most of us just told him to lay off and stop being a pest and he would stop. No problem. Some of the staff in the hospital took him up on his offers and he had quite a rep in the hospital as a guy who got "lucky" with the women. But you know, as long as he was doing it on his own time, I did not care what he was doing.
Well the following situation came up. We had a man in the hospital for a while with a very nasty infected dog bite on his hand. His wife stayed with him at the hospital. He was a real nice man and all the staff felt very friendly toward him and his wife and got to know them well because he was there for about three weeks. The patient and his wife became very close with the CNA in question. He would always stop in and talk with this patient and his family, even if he was not assigned to that area.
One day I come to work and I find out that this CNA is on suspension for investigation of sexual harassment of this patients wife. The allegation was that the CNA was flirting with her in front of her husband but this was not the main issue. The wife stated that the CNA had called her on her cell phone and told her that he was very attracted to her and that he wanted to take her away from her husband. The wife told her husband about this. The husband/patient waited about 4 days before he spoke with anyone about this. The manager and HR got together with the CNA and he stated that she had called him and there had been several calls between the two of them. The CNA said that the wife had asked him for his cell number so she could call him and check on the status of her husband. So they asked him to produce his cell phone records and he was unable to produce them. If they could find evidence that she had called him, he would not have been terminated. We are union and he is filing a grievance but I think the termination is going to stand because of the fact that it involved a family member of a patient and that he got her phone number off the patients chart.
I would be interested to know what you guys think about this. Would you have terminated him for this one incident?
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- 0Aug 31, '09 by WhisperaHis cell phone records shouldn't be that difficult for him to get from the cell phone service provider. You also say he got the patient's wife's phone number off the patient's chart, which would indicate he called her. I'm not sure he's telling you the whole truth.
In any case, I would have suspended him until things could be more clearly determined, and not fired him right away.
- 6Aug 31, '09 by brian AdminI don't have an opinion on whether or not I would have terminated him or not, not enough info.
but.....it's not hard to provide your cell phone record. If he chooses not to provide it to plead his case, it seems suspicious that there is more to the story than he is saying?
If I wanted to keep my job and all I needed to do was to provide my cell phone record? I'd probably do it.
- 2Aug 31, '09 by leslie :-DQuote from diane227he cannot absolve himself because he was unable to produce his cell records.The CNA said that the wife had asked him for his cell number so she could call him and check on the status of her husband. So they asked him to produce his cell phone records and he was unable to produce them. If they could find evidence that she had called him, he would not have been terminated.
since he is grieving it, he needs to call up his phone company and get a printout of all calls for the specified period of time.
not only did he allegedly come onto a family member, he attempted to inflict harm on a marriage.
that is serious stuff.
yes, i do find it a terminable event.
- 2Aug 31, '09 by KatnipI agree with all of the above. My cell phone bills always itemize the calls. It wouldn't be difficult to ask the wife for her records. That way it would be easy to tell who initiated the contact.
Even so, the employee should not have used his personal phone to talk to the wife. She could call the nurse's station. The CNA's story sounds a bit fishy to me.
- 1Aug 31, '09 by Altra GuideThe content of those phone calls is and will probably continue to be a he said/she said deal. However, being in personal contact on your own phone (not the hospital's) with the family member of a patient is stepping pretty far over the line, and I would have to strongly consider termination for that poor judgement.
- 1Aug 31, '09 by Chapisi think he wanted to know how far his flirtiness could go. he knew he was stepping in muddy waters even if he was aproached by the wife, he should have carried himself as a professional and stayed that way. he's using work as a dating site. i think there's more to the story probably from both sides, but i agree with leslie, i also find his actions terminable.
- 1Aug 31, '09 by pagandeva2000I don't know this person or what he did, but I would certainly question how cell phones were exchanged to begin with. If the wife wants to inquire about her husband, the proper channels are to call the unit. On a side bar, I suspect the wife probably tried calling the floor, but had difficulty reaching someone because unless there is a unit clerk, most nurses don't have time to answer phone calls. Either way, exchanging phone numbers crosses serious lines and I would not have been comfortable with that.