Nurses eat their young - now I understand why. - page 5

I started working for a sub-acute LTC as the DSD last week. The DON and I hit it off because we have the same vision on what we need to do in order to solve the problems we current have. Early... Read More

  1. Visit  Perpetual Student profile page
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    Quote from tyloo
    I sense some arrogance on this thread. I don't get why there is bashing of the vet tech especially someone who is not here to defend himself/herself. Humans usually don't bite back and if you explained a procedure to them usually there is some cooperation. Little fluffy on the on the other hand will meet you in fright or aggression.

    Posting someone's portion of a resume on a nursing forum is not tactful either. People give a resume in confidence. What if the person who did this interview comes online and sees that? How would you feel? The person went to your facility for an interview not to be publicly ridiculed online.
    That vet tech really needs to work on her resume and approach to obtaining a nursing job. She's possibly a very bright, skilled person. That said, she really shouldn't list those skills worded in a way that proclaims competence in those things as it pertains to obtaining a nursing job. She has some great prior experience that could form the basis for an awesome resume, but it needs to emphasize potential ability, not current ability.

    As a new grad, one's approach should be more like "Hi, I'm Cletus, a new RN. I may be new, but am very eager to learn to be the best nurse possible." Not "Hi, I'm Albert Einstein, RN. I may be new, but I can manage 87 critically ill patients while implementing a new electronic medical record, all during my first shift."
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  3. Visit  JustBeachyNurse profile page
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    Didn't YOU post that you only recently received your RN license after previously being licensed as an LPN?("Graduated February 2012, took the nclex-rn March 6, licensed March 8 and got a job March 13 (4 business days after I received my license). I did not have a job all throughout nursing school. (http://allnurses.com/first-year-afte...ml#post6265266) " I don't suspect that the candidate or your employer provided you with the resumes to review with the intent that you would post excerpts on a public online forum to mock the writer...

    There are many experienced nurses that may have never informed a family member that their loved one has passed away..does that make them any less of a nurse than one who has done multiple death notifications? A nurse is a legal title describing an educated professional who meets certain educational and background standards that passed the national licensing exam and has subsequently been issued a license to practice by a board of nursing (or college of nursing in Canada).

    Even when a position is posted requiring 1-2 years experience those with little or no experience are going to apply for the position. However, it would seem that to be in a nursing leadership role a company would want an individual with some experience so that they are knowledgeable about how a unit needs to operate and can offer support and direction to other staff members in addition to having prove that they could function independently with minimal supervision.
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  4. Visit  wish_me_luck profile page
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    perpetual student, it sounds wonderful to say you are eager to learn. But, as someone who has been to resume classes and looked in books, etc. Employers hear "I am eager to learn" all the time. They actually want to know what you already know, so they don't have to spend time training you. Fact. I went on a job interview at the VA that was for a student nurse tech. It was meant to break someone into the system and train them. It was cardiac and I liked cardiac, but had zero experience. I told them "I have basic skills that are taught in nursing school, but I was eager to learn" when asked the question "what experience do you have in reading strips?". They asked about phlebotomy. I, at the time, had not drawn blood on someone or started IVs. I didn't get the job because I lacked experience. Someone who I know (who was an EMT) got the job. Later on in nursing school, I got the chance to draw blood and got it the first time. I also have gotten to start IVs and got a few of them and the few I did not get, I got them and then, they blew.

    So, you can't say "I know nothing, but I am eager to learn". The fact is they want experience. I think most jobs, whether you are a stay at home mom who balanced check books, who answered phones, who managed kids' schedules and kept them entertained and fed and dry or vet techs who started IVs, drew blood, cleaned poo, answered phones, etc.; all of them have something to offer.

    I think employers need to cut new grads a break. They start to come into their own the first year; but after a couple of months if they are still slightly awkward, they want to give them the boot or make it so unbearable, that they quit (lateral violence being the worst). I wish they would spend that turn over money on offering education classes in the Education Dept at the hospitals and hands on experience specifically in what they are weak on with a mentor for the new grads and other employees who may be a little weaker. Just my 2 cents.
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  5. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from melmarie23
    you are looking for inexperienced RNs....and only going to offer them 36 hours of "training." You're seriously limiting your pool of applicants there I think. Kinda hard to take a job seriously if they are unwilling to take you seriously. If desperate times call for desperate measures...why the pickiness? lol
    No, it is for a 36 hour position with training.
  6. Visit  Ashley, PICU RN profile page
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    Quote from Perpetual Student
    That vet tech really needs to work on her resume and approach to obtaining a nursing job. She's possibly a very bright, skilled person. That said, she really shouldn't list those skills worded in a way that proclaims competence in those things as it pertains to obtaining a nursing job. She has some great prior experience that could form the basis for an awesome resume, but it needs to emphasize potential ability, not current ability.

    As a new grad, one's approach should be more like "Hi, I'm Cletus, a new RN. I may be new, but am very eager to learn to be the best nurse possible." Not "Hi, I'm Albert Einstein, RN. I may be new, but I can manage 87 critically ill patients while implementing a new electronic medical record, all during my first shift."
    Unless the applicant worded the resume like this:

    Previous Job Experience:

    Veterinary Technician 09/2006-12/2011

    Job requirements: Assist the veterinarian with a variety of tests, procedures, surgeries and examinations. Perform medication administration, procedures, and assessments as needed. Provide education to owners for multiple medical conditions. Coordinate follow-up care...

    Skills:
    See excerpt


    If those skills were listed specifically in relation to the job as a Vet Tech, then it would be entirely appropriate to list them all just as they were. I agree that if she were trying to make it seem as though the skills applied to humans, it would be misleading, but we don't have any indication that that's what she did. Unfortunately, the OP only included the part of the resume that best made her point. Without seeing the entire thing, it's wrong to pass judgement.
  7. Visit  RNfaster profile page
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    Sorry - disagree with you PerpetualStudent that the vet tech is inflating his or her skills.

    Neither of us can see for certain, but I'd be willing to bet that the excerpted experience posted (shamelessly by the OP) are bulleted points under the job title (vet tech) that he or she held. They stated the facts. Those skills are relevant - and I do not see distortion or exaggeration. The vet tech's listing of those skills under their prior job title is in no way indicating that they "can manage 87 critically ill patients while implementing a new electronic medical record..." Many people do not realize what vet techs do. There are also a range of responsibilities per vet tech position. I still say the vet tech has done a great job of outlining how their prior experience in animals will help them in the first nursing job.

    And as others have said, the OP is out-of-bounds with excerpting part of the job applicant's resume. The OP is tough on applicants not knowing core measures...what about knowing HR measures?
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  8. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Well. I must say that I have noticed LTC have an affinity for hiring the inexperienced for director, charge, manager positions. They are cheaper, less rigid, and eager to please. They can be "trained" in the "right" manner.......which means to say yes to corporate. The OP seems to be also inexperienced as you screen those applicants resume for who is going to come on for interviewing.

    I will, however, agree that there is a different in applicants the last couple of years. I have interviewed some with outstanding resumes, only to sit slack jawed at the audacity and the demands of the person being interviewed. It's obvious they have paid for their resumes and while not false, have been embellished to get in the door. While I can admire creativity and ambition to get get in the door it unfortunately doesn't translate to attitude and willingness to work. It's like they want to be paid and not have to come to work.

    I agree that when interviewing and the stuff that come out of applicants mouth makes me wonder what has happened to society. What could they possibly be thinking when they open their mouths. Before I can even say my name I was getting.......I expect x$ to be paid. I don't do Sundays or nights......I don't adjust well. I need every other Wednesday off for my art class... Blah, Blah, Blah. I can't tell you how I wish for a stat page or a code to be called just to get out of the interview and not have to lie.

    I don't want to eat the young, as I have always embraced the incoming new nurses to join me in the profession I so love. But there are times I wonder......what the heck are they teaching in school??????
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  9. Visit  kanzi monkey profile page
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    Quote from Perpetual Student
    That vet tech really needs to work on her resume and approach to obtaining a nursing job.
    I agree. It seems like she's a new nurse with loads of skills from a previous career who needs some assistance w/ writing a decent resume to get started in her new profession.
    She needs a friend or a mentor. Writing resume's and interviewing for jobs can be very awkward, miserable, stressful, etc--especially when you're new.

    I am appalled that the OP--who is responsible for interviewing prospective new nurses for a charge position at the facility she works for--is frankly bashing her candidates in an online forum. That is beyond unprofessional. Posting that CV is totally out of line.

    OP, it's fine to be unimpressed with your interviewees. But what gives you the right to utterly degrade them so openly? They are just people trying to find jobs. I mean seriously--what would your employer think?!?
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  10. Visit  SHGR profile page
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    Quote from not.done.yet
    Core measures are a JHACO standard for treatment of certain diseases, shown to improve patient outcomes. If you don't know what they are you best get to learning them. They are required to remain JHACO certified, which is required for top tier Medicare reimbursement. Which means other insurance will follow suit soon in requiring them. They add more every year. The newest one that came down the pipe just this week is a requirement to give the pneumonia vaccine to all diabetics. Makes the head spin.

    Mentioning a planned vacation comes when an offer has been made and compensation is being negotiated. Not in the first interview. At least not if you want the job offer.
    They may know this concept but not by the name "core measures." I know the recommendations and keep up on the new stuff, but I would have asked for clarification on what the interviewer meant by that term.
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  11. Visit  oldenurselady profile page
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    I am guilty of not reading all of the posts in this thread. I am having a difficult time now with some of my new manager's (who seems ok) new hires. I literally think they were asked if they were the biggest, most-high maintanance diva in the class and hired if they said yes. We have several "young" nurses hired within thr past year. Most are nice, but... The most recent hires include a very arrogant 45-ish, person from a med-surg floor who has 15 months experience, a know it all traveller who cannot let anyone finish a sentence, and a brand new late 20's RN grad who tells people she isn't doing this or that and arrives late all of the time (because she has kids, isn't that unsual?. It must just be her who has kids, right?). The last gal was hired for nights, but "there is no way" she is doing it. She figures after they orient her for 16 weeks, they won't waste their $ and so they will give her what she wants! These people chart incorrectly, leave things they do not tell others about, and despite their stellar self-assessments, have made some pretty significant errors. I know people can lie in an interview, but these three are pretty obnoxious. I do not see how she could miss their personalities (they do not hold back) AND she had traveller on contract for 12 weeks. My biggest pet peeve is that the two newer nurses constantly ask "what do you do about xyz?" I tell them what I do. "No, I don't think so. i think you do this." Ok, well why did you ask? If you give a rationale for your actions or even show them a policy, it doesn't matter. They do want. One left meds at the beside and I told her the next day, that she should not do it. She got a foul attitude. I explained i did not write her up, but wanted to help her. Then she told me she did not do it, her preceptor did it. Sorry, the patient gave your name specifically and described you when I said..Who left them for you? We usually don't do that. "It was ___, that new girl with the glasses and ---colored hair. I will be in trouble for not writing her up, but that will be the last time she gets a pass from me. I wanted to tell her what an arrogant fool she was, but it is not worth the bother. She needs a time machine to take her back to age 3 to fix her problems. No one should be bullied when they are new. However, when you come on the scene acting like a bully, you endear yourself to no one. I am seriously waiting for a long lost rich relative to die. I have been a nurse for more than 25 years and this is it. There is more to it than these newbies, but it is a lot of stress.
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  12. Visit  dudette10 profile page
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    OP, you have seven pages of people saying the same thing: reconsider the vet tech. If what you posted was the only thing "wrong" with her, you could probably do a LOT worse.
  13. Visit  jrwest profile page
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    just an observation, but it just isnt in nursing- general society is this way now too. after the day i had with the psycho patients on the floor- ive come to the conclusion that the world indeed is going to helena handbasket.
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  14. Visit  MJB2010 profile page
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    I am wondering OP, if you are qualified to interview applicants? You seem to be lacking the basic skills of hiring and getting to the meat of the applicant. I think the one that mentioned the vacation was being honest and upfront, of course she could ahve blindsided you with that info upon getting an offer but she was honest about it. That is comendable. ANd the vet tech would probably have a lot of useful skills that could help her pick things up a little quicker than someone without that type of experience.

    OP how much nursing experience do you have? Think back to how you were as a new grad and how much or little you knew. Think back to the first interview you had and how scary it was. You seem to have forgotten. I am willing to bet you are not perfect either.
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