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Anti-intellectual & hyper-sensitive. WHY? - page 5

I got in trouble at my job yesterday. I was training in a new case manager. After some time observing me make calls and document, she tried it on her own. She's smart, a great nurse and did a good... Read More

  1. Visit  stephanie. profile page
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    Thats what kids who were raised in the "Everyone makes the team, gets a trophy, and is the winner" mentality. They are never taught to work hard and learn from their mistakes. Why should they have to? Instead they cry and whine as to why life isnt fair. No one seems to have pride- there is a sense of satisfaction that comes from being self sufficient and a hard worker and the younger generations wont seem to ever know it.
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  2. Visit  Kaci82 profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** In my opinion the anti-intellectual vibe you percieve here on AN is actually a defence reaction to the elitist attitude held by certain members. I can't remember any posts that criticized anyone for WANTING to further their education, or criticized anyone for encouraging othersto pursue further education. I do see defensive reaction to suggestions that nurses who don't hold BSNs are less than competent, or that they are holding the "profession" back, or when the lack of a BSN is misconstrued as being anti education.
    In my practice this attitude seems particularly ironic. In my roll as full time rapid response and resourse nurse one of my constant duties is to explain basic nursing concepts, answer basic and advanced nursing practice questions, and teach basic and advanced nursing skills to BSN and MSN prepared RNs.
    I am absolutly not anti educaton. I do reject the commonly held view that the traditional college / university based education is the only education that matters. An ADN prepared RN can devote a lot fo time and effort to becomeing highly educated in nursing practice but unless they have BSN behind their name they remain uneducated in the view of some people.
    This might be one of the threads some posters are referring to:
    http://allnurses.com/registered-nurs...ml#post7111178
  3. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** . .I am absolutly not anti educaton. I do reject the commonly held view that the traditional college / university based education is the only education that matters. An ADN prepared RN can devote a lot fo time and effort to becomeing highly educated in nursing practice but unless they have BSN behind their name they remain uneducated in the view of some people.
    Right. Regardless of whether some perceive not buying into the nursing education discussion as framed by one side (as "either/or") for 47 years as equivalent to being "anti-intellectual" the fact remains that the proponents of the mandatory BSN have institutionalized their view, and have put millions of dollars and engaged in lots of influence-peddling to advance it. Therefore the ADN/diploma nurses who objects will always be on the defense, whether any one post or any one thread can be traced to it's actual roots or not.

    Those who feel that isolated threads that look like sour grapes from a bunch of intellectually lazy nurses without BSNs have nothing to worry about there, because they are not organized or funded and thus have no power.
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  4. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    The OP of the thread was talking about her orientee's response to the situation and the hypersensitivity of this person in this situation and a general statement about this type of hypersensitivity that sems so prevalent in the workplace today and NOT a discussion about the attributes or lack thereof of advance education within nursing

    You may start another thread to discuss this but this thread is about the OP's experience at work.

    Let's stick to the topic.
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  5. Visit  monkeybug profile page
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    Quote from PeepnBiscuitsRN
    When I was in school for my LPN we had a LOT of foreign students who liked to play the "no speak English" card. Hey, it worked for them! One woman out and out failed vital signs- pulse, temp, respiration, BP... I guess it's okay because she was foreign. Had a whole row of foreign students who sat behind me and some other folks- they made it a habit of stealing stuff out of our bags, lecture packets, highlighters and the like. They also cheated off each others tests- claiming that in their country they share and help each other out. Got so bad that later when I had my RN and went back to that school as an adjunct instructor I learned that they had to split the whole class up into separate rooms to stop the cheating. If an instructor would fail them on a skill, or even have them removed from the program for poor performance- hooo boy, the dean of the program would be flooded with students in her office demanding the students be readmitted at once, or they'd plead cultural intolerance!
    Now, I'm not making generalizations, and I have worked with some very competent, kind, and awesome foreign nurses. But I worked with one for many years that played the "foreign" card all too often, and got away with it. She would insult and condescend, and when called on it, profess that she really didn't understand what she was saying. She would demand gifts from families, thoroughly disparage other nurses to patients and doctors, and talk horribly about coworkers behind their backs. And brush it all off as "cultural differences." If you ever complained to the manager, you would be told that "well, that's just how she is." It really, really burned me up. And I burned her up because I wouldn't play by her rules. I felt absolutely comfortable telling her she could only speak to me if it involved patient care, that otherwise I didn't want to hear her poison.
  6. Visit  monkeybug profile page
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    Quote from netglow
    When it gets down to it, what do you all want in exchange for all your added edu? I mean seriously?! IF you want to change your practice and become an NP, well that's great, but that's a different job all together. Some of you are looking for what? I don't know. You won't climb some ladder and suddenly be bestowed a seat at the round table just because you have a BSN or MSN, LOL. Look. I have a couple degrees. It's a piece of paper that shows you dropped some cash folks. You guys are not in the corporate world. You won't climb any real ladder because nursing ladders are made of toothpicks. There is nothing at the top people. A nursing degree is only good for a nursing job. You won't make it in the outside world with that. So get off your high horse, have a seat and please, please throw down this shot of reality I'm giving you. Make believe will get you nowhere except make you a freak'in basketcase to work with!

    My second degree is an ADN. While I was taking my nursing prerequisite courses, I was approached on two separate occasions about having my writing/research published. Big deal, right. I guess for some of you. Not a big deal to me.
    Excuse me, I did not obtain my BSN and JD just by "dropping some cash." Perhaps you assume that most BSNs attend for-profit colleges? All the courses I passed, I passed because I studied and worked, not because I paid for a grade or a diploma. Not only do I value my degrees, but I value learning for the sake of learning. I'm just as confused by BSNs who don't read as I am by ADNs who have no desire to further their education. What happened to improving yourself as a human being? And you have a bachelor's in something else. You have a well-rounded education. This is not the case for many nurses, and many of them have no desire to grow and learn, and that confuses and concerns me.
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  7. Visit  GadgetRN71 profile page
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    There is a degree of anti-intellectualism in nursing. I've experienced it firsthand. And it doesn't help us as a profession. I also believe the OP as far as the woman's reaction to criticism. We've had several orientees like this- and they never last long,lol.
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  8. Visit  Altra profile page
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    I'm just wondering who the chucklehead is who hired a nurse who struggles to write in English and is "not good with computers" to be a case manager? Fail.
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  9. Visit  mclennan profile page
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    Wasn't me. I was not involved in the hiring of this nurse. She had some experience in SNF and HH case management, so I assume that's why she was hired. She probably interviewed well too. I've been pushing for a basic computer skills test for every applicant and it seems to fall on deaf ears!

    Nice attempt at an insult, though.
  10. Visit  Altra profile page
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    mclennan, I did not assume you had hired this nurse, as it was not indicated by your original post explaining the situation. My first guess would be ... the manager who felt the need to chastise you for attempting to improve this new case manager's documentation.
  11. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from mclennan
    Nice attempt at an insult, though.
    *** Speaking of hyper-sensitive...............
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  12. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    Lol, the English as a second language thing always cracks me up. English is MY second language. I have been speaking it 20 years or so now though. I don't think it shows TOO much in my writing :P

    I think if anything, the language issue is more of a crutch. I mean sure, if I am speaking to someone, and not taking my time, sometimes things come out wrong. I think in french, then try to translate, and the direct translation sometimes comes out completely off. It's more than understandable, but I've gotten funny looks over my grammar once or twice, with word choices or sentence order. Writing though, completely different. You have time to sit and think, look over what you wrote, and edit. Not an excuse.

    This nurse probably claimed 'ESL' more to imply discrimination on your part as opposed to a reason for her writing issues.

    I will also MORE than agree with other posters that this is a result of the 'wussification of America' as one of my favorite morning radio shows refers to it. When you tell kids over and over again that they are amazing, can do no wrong, they grow up closed off to constructive criticism. Heck, when I was in school I didn't get a medal for anything if I didn't win. I might get a participation ribbon, but no medal. I grew up knowing that there are things I am good at, others not so much. It didn't affect my self-esteem much to know that I suck at soccer or will never win any long distance races lol. Not winning either lets you know this is something you need to work on if you want to improve, or to move on to something else if you don't care.

    The next generation is gonna be a bunch of pansies, and I am scared of what the future has in store for us with all that
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  13. Visit  monkeybug profile page
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    Quote from Jeweles26

    I will also MORE than agree with other posters that this is a result of the 'wussification of America' as one of my favorite morning radio shows refers to it.
    The next generation is gonna be a bunch of pansies, and I am scared of what the future has in store for us with all that
    Totally off topic, but are you talking about Rick and Bubba?


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