Are LPN's being phased out? - page 3

I know people have been saying for years that everyone would need a BSN and LPN's would be a thing of the past, etc. Well, so far, where I work (a large, magnet hospital) there are still many, many... Read More

  1. Visit  linearthinker profile page
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    I only skimmed, but however inconveniently and pejoratively worded the babysitting comment is, I get the point. Speaking only for myself, due to the limitations imposed by the facilities I worked in, I prefer not to work with LPNs. I have not in many years now, but historically, having to go behind and chart for them was such a PITA I'd rather just do it all myself. CNAs can do their thing and chart same. The LPNS could do it, but then I'd have to sign that I agreed. How can I agree if I don't repeat the assessment? All they could really do for me is CNA duties and pass PO meds. That wasn't very helpful.

    That is not a reflection on the individuals, their innate intelligence or skill, but rather identification of a systems problem. I'd rather not have to deal with consequences of said systems problem. I suspect that that is what was meant by the babysitting comment, however indelicately it was put.
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  3. Visit  gentlegiver profile page
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    Quote from JSlovex2
    this is exactly the attitude i've seen lately. with RNs working short staffed, they are tired of "babysitting" the LPN's so to speak. at one time, there were enough RNs on the floor that it wasn't such a big deal for them to "cover" the LPNs, but now - they're lucky to get their "own job" finished without having to go behind a LPN. i've even seen brand new grads be charge nurses over LPNs who have years of experience. it just makes no logical or financial sense.
    HMMM. Problems with LPNs??? There are very few things that an RN does that and LPn can't do. My BON says as an LPN I can't push IV meds, hang blood, insert a PICC line. I can do everything else. (A change about 4 yrs ago now allows us to pronounce death) I have been very well trained, I am an adult, I don't need to be babysat. So I can only hope you were being sarcastic when you wrote that (please tell me you were!) LPN's are and can be a very valuable asset to any work force.
    Last edit by gentlegiver on Apr 22, '11
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  4. Visit  himilayaneyes profile page
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    Well, the things is from many articles I've read and things that I've seen hospitals do...it seems like they're trying to not hire more LPNs into the acute care setting. LPNs will always dominate LTC, offices, and clinics b/c it's better financially for the company. Most of the LPNs I know are really good nurses. At my old hospital, we had a couple of LPNs on my floor...almost all of them going for their RN though...and we did have to cover them...but it was like one patient though. I do understand the frustration of many RNs when they have to go do something for the LPNs patient when they're already busy...particularly on dayshift.. .which is crazy. Personally, by the time the LPN would find me to do something for her patient...I had already done it...of course, after I had already taken care of my patients. Plus, many RNs aren't interested in anything besides hospital nursing. It seems that with all of the cutbacks, many new RNs won't be able to get the golden hospital experience, but instead will have to look in home health, LTC, and community nursing...an area in which the LPNs already dominate. And I don't believe that they'll ever make it mandatory for a nurse to have a BSN to be a RN...they haven't even supposedly phased out the LPNs yet. Best of luck to all nurses....RN and LPN alike.
  5. Visit  NurseLoveJoy88 profile page
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    Quote from linearthinker
    I only skimmed, but however inconveniently and pejoratively worded the babysitting comment is, I get the point. Speaking only for myself, due to the limitations imposed by the facilities I worked in, I prefer not to work with LPNs. I have not in many years now, but historically, having to go behind and chart for them was such a PITA I'd rather just do it all myself. CNAs can do their thing and chart same. The LPNS could do it, but then I'd have to sign that I agreed. How can I agree if I don't repeat the assessment? All they could really do for me is CNA duties and pass PO meds. That wasn't very helpful.

    That is not a reflection on the individuals, their innate intelligence or skill, but rather identification of a systems problem. I'd rather not have to deal with consequences of said systems problem. I suspect that that is what was meant by the babysitting comment, however indelicately it was put.
    Really ????
  6. Visit  Dazglue profile page
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    Just depends on where you work. In this side of Bama we rarely hire LPN's in the hospital setting, unless they have been there some years. However, just across the street in GA, LPN's are always being hired, even in the ED, L&D, and ICU.
  7. Visit  Nccity2002 profile page
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    Quote from JSlovex2
    I know people have been saying for years that everyone would need a BSN and LPN's would be a thing of the past, etc. Well, so far, where I work (a large, magnet hospital) there are still many, many nurses without a BSN -but there are veeery few LPN's. I attended a meeting last week where my supervisor was lecturing RNs about signing off on LPN's charts and she mentioned that there are very few LPN's and even mentioned that some of those LPN's are about to graduate to be RN's. I overheard other RNs in the cafeteria complaining about LPN's basically saying, "what's the point when we have to go behind them."

    They are definitely being phased out where I work. They aren't hiring LPN's anymore although the ones who are there aren't getting fired or anything. What is it like where you work? Do you think LPN's have a future?
    I live in Orange County, California and in my ten years career span, I had worked in many facilities around the area (either as registry or a traveler). I had only been in one hospital in this area that uses LPNs in the acute setting. In this area, most facilities are either Magnet or in the process of applying for it, plus primary nursing is mainly used around this area... these may be contributing factors for the lack of LPNs around this area. To answer your question, no...my facility does not employ LPNs.
  8. Visit  linearthinker profile page
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    Quote from NurseLoveJoy88
    Really ????
    Really really.
  9. Visit  OgopogoLPN profile page
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    Not in Canada. There are hundreds of LPNs who work in acute care in my own mid sized hospital. And every hospital. There is constantly new training (paid by the employer!!) and new areas of specialty being opened up to us.

    I personally know 4 LPNs who just completed the OR course and are now certified as OR nurses. Another 3 who just completed hemodialysis training and will be working as hemo nurses. All LPNs. All employer paid training and paid practicums.

    We just got another email this past week to invite us to apply for paid training in mental health, emergency room, perinatal and nephrology specialties.

    The future is bright for us!
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  10. Visit  Hutchen Upshaw profile page
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    Hello everyone. Im one of those LPN's with years of experience. Once wanted to be a nurse anesthesist. After children and so many setbacks Im happy if Im able to obtain an associate in nursing. I do plan on futhering my education now that my children are grown. After an associate in nursing I will be studying business though. Ive had the opportunity to make a good living and learning experiences that a lot of RNs dont even have a clue. A lot of overtime. Not challenging a education, but every one has some worth in this profession. The pressure evolving around who's the most educated to a man is unbeleivable. As a LPN having a kid (some new grads and some not) checking behind me to be nasty is a insult. Again some dont even have a clue. But because of a formal education and the title of RN its acceptable. Ive had jobs, serious and very good jobs for any career. Where the RNs would be disgruntle and take it out on the LPN. Why let non RNs perform RN jobs. Number one reason is its cheaper. Number two somebody has to do it. Not challenging a education, nothing more greater. LPNs take a lot of cheap shots, and again from what I seen every one is of value in this profession. If working within their scope or not. As with any production line and a demand for output is requested. Some instead of addressing the problem tend to lean on the weaker. If one could only walk in another shoe's and imagine the pressure surrounding being a good LPN and working so called RN positions. I dont think LPNs are being phased out. I also think there would be more LPN going for their RN. Well in my case, job security is important and from a wholistic veiw. Dont know actually how it came to this, but I do have some idea. With all do respect and never challenging an education, it is a production line and someone has to do it. So dont be upset when ask to do your job. You are educated in the field and the RNs. Just remember with all production lines their is a demand for produtivity. I never complain, I really <3 nursing. The bussier the better. All respect to the guru, everybody know's the one. The informal leader (super nurse) that runs the floor.
  11. Visit  Hutchen Upshaw profile page
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    Every one is of value.
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  12. Visit  JM284 profile page
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    I value the LPNs where I work. Even though there are many things they can's do by law they are fabulous nurses. A hospital close by however is laying off all their inpatient LPNs. I'm guessing it all comes down to cost somehow.
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  13. Visit  Nurseykins76 profile page
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    Quote from realnursealso/LPN
    Sounds like yet another insulting, flaming post. Your reasoning is baseless, one hospital out of how many? LPN/LVN's ARE NOT BEING PHASED OUT! Go find some other fairytale rumor. I do high tech pediatric homecare, guess what? They do not want RN's to do my cases, because LPN's are just as capable and the rate per hour is less. Your hospital may not hire LPN's, it doesn't mean we are being wiped off the face of the earth. Please do valid research before stating things that you perceive to be true.

    I am a REGISTERED PRACTICAL NURSE which is your equivalent to an LPN only us RPN's work under pretty much the same scope as an RN with FEW differences besides two years of school, we are NOT going anywhere. Ty for standing up for us RPN's aka LPN's
    Last edit by Nurseykins76 on Apr 23, '11 : Reason: agree with the poster
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  14. Visit  anotherone profile page
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    I work at a huge teaching hospital that employees a lot of LPNs. I hate when they are not "allowed" to do something and I have to do it when I can barely keep up somedays. They get short changed because they are given a similar assignment to the RNs but get paid a lot less. THan the RNs have to give the IV push meds, blood, etc..... i guess the point is that it costs the hospital a lot less.


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