Are LPN's being phased out? - page 2
I know people have been saying for years that everyone would need a BSN and LPN's would be a thing of the past, etc. Well, so far, where I work (a large, magnet hospital) there are still many, many... Read More
Apr 22, '11Unfortunately at my hospital, a large teaching hospital, they are phasing out LPN's. They have given the LPN's a certain amount of time to complete their RN to keep their jobs. One of my LPN co-workers is working on her classes now to make the transition on time!
Apr 22, '11I gave kudos to both mizzRN and Realnursealso because while Realnursealso sounds angry she like alot of other LPNs are tired of hearing about the whole " LPNS are being phased out" I don't think the OP was trying to be hurtful but mainly stressed on LPNs being phased out of the hospitals but not as a profession as a whole. I too get tired of hearing it. I value my position as a LPN but I honestly can't wait to become a RN because sometimes you just get fed up with misconceptions about LPNs.
Apr 22, '11My employer has a new sneaky way of phasing out LPNs. They now offer a $800 referal bonus (paid after 100 hrs worked).
Apr 22, '11I am angry. If you do a search on AllNurses, you will find hundreds of threads with the same topic. I have been an LPN since 1980, and a member of AllNurses for over 10 years. I've never been without work, never had trouble finding a job in what ever area I chose. The term "phasing out", implies that LPN's are no longer going to exist. In February of 1979, when I started my LPN Program, I began to hear this fairytale. Here it is, over 30 years later, and LPN's are still here and going strong. LPN's aren't going anywhere, and it will never be a hospital that decides if our profession exists or not. Have a blessed Easter everyone.
Apr 22, '11I may have only been a nurse for 3 years, but I have actually only worked with an LPN one time in my hospital. The hospital I work for is a large teaching hospital and there are only 8 LPNs employed. I know this to be true because I currently am the PICU Rep for our Nurse Congress and we were just discussing this topic. Our hospital no longer hires LPNs and hasn't for many years. The LPNs that are currently employed are not being fired and are not being forced to become RNs, but they aren't being replaced. The only experience I can speak on with any authority is in the hospital. I do think LPNs have a substantial role in the healthcare system but I think we would be remisr to ignore the fact that the truth is many HOSPITALS no longer hire LPNs. But, then again not all nurses want to be hospital nurses!
Apr 22, '11Here are my 2 cents.
With the aging population in the US and the increased need for home care and LTC I can't imagine that LPN's will disappear. Why would a for profit corp pay for RN's when the same work can be done by LPN's.
Health Care is a business after all.
Apr 22, '11Yes this has been a rumor for many many years. It use to annoy me when I was a LPN when I heard this, now that I am a RN the rumor is "hospitals are phasing out ADN nurses and wanting BSN only." I feel like I cant win! I plan to go back for my BSN, and im sure when that happens hospitals will want MSN only, LoL! Oddly enough when I was a LPN I never had a problem getting a job, but the RN jobs seem to be harder to get - weird right? Only time will tell......
Apr 22, '11Our hospital only employs two LPNs. Well...now one because she is actively in school. The other one was laid off because he never kept his word when it came to going to school. The reason being LPNs, in our hospitals are so restricted on what they can do.
I went from a CNA to LPN to RN. I never regretted taking the long way to my RN. I think walking in all shoes has made me a better nurse.
Apr 22, '11Quote from JSlovex2I guess I am most ticked off by this comment. And the attitude. RNs do not babysit LPNs. LPNs are members of a team effort who have specific job duties that in doing them frees up the RNs to do their specific job duties. By this same logic I could say that as an LPN I'm sick of having to go "behind" the CNAs and make sure they do their jobs, and how much that sucks because I can't handle my responsibilities because I always have to be watching them.this is exactly the attitude i've seen lately. with RNs working short staffed, they are tired of "babysitting" the LPN's so to speak. at one time, there were enough RNs on the floor that it wasn't such a big deal for them to "cover" the LPNs, but now - they're lucky to get their "own job" finished without having to go behind a LPN. i've even seen brand new grads be charge nurses over LPNs who have years of experience. it just makes no logical or financial sense.
I don't have to "babysit" them; I respect the job they do and recognize that I couldn't do MY job if it weren't for them.
I've worked in the hospital setting and I can tell you that we LPNs run ourselves ragged, not only trying to do our jobs of passing meds, monitoring patients, monitoring lab values and vital signs so as not to give the patient a med that needs to be d/c or changed, doing trach and vent and PEG care, doing wound treatments, dealing with supply issues, talking to patients and families, filtering information to the appropriate people, charting, AND helping the CNAs, AND helping RNs and notifying them of patient issues so that they can do their jobs better.
If they have to sign off on it, so be it, that is their job. We're a team.
And the same holds true in SNFs and LTCs, except the number of LPNs is greater and the scope of practice much more broad. And also, a lot of RNs wouldn't deign to work in those facilities.
I'm also going to say that I think this quote represents a minority view among RNs. The majority of the RNs that I've worked with and spoken to and seen on this site respect the hard work that LPNs do.
Apr 22, '11I don't think LPN's will ever be phased out as long as medicine is run as a business, in most cases, for profit. Most medical businesses, hospitals, clinics, doc offices, home health, ALf's, etc. have LPN's instead of RNs because it is cost saving.
I have frequently said I wish I could trade in my RN for LPN. I would have a much easier career life.
Apr 22, '11I was the last LVN that my current employer will hire - came down the pipes last week that No MAS. I am beginning my BSN program in August. And for what it's worth, most of the facilities in my area are RN and higher. *especially* in the med center. Even the 4 outlying hospitals in my suburb are refusing LVNs. Trust me, I had an awful time finding a job in acute care.
Apr 22, '11I honestly don't know if they have a future. Here, no, there are no jobs for LPNs. There might be one in a Drs office, but they seem to be moving to MAs. The nursing homes used to be a stronghold, but not I'm told they have fewer LPNS and more med techs and CNAs. One LPN to do treatments and one RN to do charts and whatever no one else can do.
I wouldn't advise a young person to look for a career as a LPN, but it isn't a bad stepping stone toward a professional degree. One of my favorite surgeons was an LPN for years before going to medical school!
Apr 22, '11Quote from SunSurfRNMaybe because they can pay them less?Just because something hasn't happened, doesn't mean it won't. With the ever expanding group of unemployed or underemployed RNs on the bread line you can expect the last bastions of LPNs you mentioned to be employing RNs. I work in one of the aforementioned places as a new grad BSN...one of the hiring managers told me point blank "why hire an LPN when I can hire an RN"
Not sure where you work JSlovex, but I have never heard RNs as a group be so disrespectful to LPNs. If they have to "babysit" them it is very likely related to the culture of the facility and/or the limited scope of practice some states have for LPNs. I'm sure it will end up being in the best interest of all concerned when there are no more LPNs at your facility.
My answer (at least as far as my area) just a few months ago would have been that anyone who wants to work in an acute care hospital now should go for their RN right away and for their BSN if possible. When I started at a pediatric hospital nobody "went behind me" and I worked in every unit there at least once. The legal scope of practice hasn't changed, but other factors have, resulting in the trend to all RN staffing in acute care hospitals.
One could argue that a financial crunch and an increasing elderly population would lead to an increase in LPN jobs as they are most often hired in LTCs and private duty under waiver programs, including in charge nurse positions.
Just lately though, I've noticed that not at any other time since I was licensed in 1976 has there been so much uncertainty in the nursing job market. There is an overabundance of job seekers, a state of flux in job opportunities, statutory changes coming down the line, and the corrosive effects of the recession in my state. I can honestly say I have no predictions to make but that while LPNs are not being phased out the areas hiring most is still uncertain at this point.