This article insults nursing as a lower skilled job - page 3

i just read this article that down plays the work and hard study that rn's all put in to obtain a degree in college or a university. i feel insulted and plan to write them. :angryfire and a i am... Read More

  1. by   TypicalFish
    I had to laugh, because I was insulted that the OP thought that it was insulting that nursing was compared to plumbing (a "lower skilled job"); My dh is a Master plumber, he went to school-yes, school, for 4 years, and went to another school for another year to become a master plumber; he understands more about the medical gas and dialysis systems than most nurses, even though we use them and count on them everyday. My husband is highly skilled, highly trained, and earns almost double what I earn as a BSN; and quite a bit more than double to what is listed in the article for plumbers.

    Everyone's job is important, regardless of what you consider skill. I know what I do counts, just as much, and no more than the excellent job housekeeping does at our hospital. I'm only insulted if someone would consider me useless.


    Don't flame me please. My only point is that one article does not the truth make, and don't look down on others or yourself based on career.
  2. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from kea6783
    I'm earning my BSN and I can tell you right now I'll never be paid what I am worth. And I'm a bit insulted when people tell me they can get "degree" in two years. Can you get your RN in two years? Yes, go ahead, but it's not a BS.
    Nor does a BS automatically make a better nurse

    (we could go round and round on any career, any degree over this, but it does nothing but insult.)
  3. by   NurseLatteDNP
    Quote from kea6783
    I'm earning my BSN and I can tell you right now I'll never be paid what I am worth. And I'm a bit insulted when people tell me they can get "degree" in two years. Can you get your RN in two years? Yes, go ahead, but it's not a BS.
    I am attending an ADN program and it took me 2 years just to complete my prerequisites. And yes, I have completed them in a college, not in highschool. I just do not like that the article does not see associate degree as a college degree. I am working very hard to get mine.
  4. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from TypicalFish
    I had to laugh, because I was insulted that the OP thought that it was insulting that nursing was compared to plumbing (a "lower skilled job"); My dh is a Master plumber, he went to school-yes, school, for 4 years, and went to another school for another year to become a master plumber; he understands more about the medical gas and dialysis systems than most nurses, even though we use them and count on them everyday. My husband is highly skilled, highly trained, and earns almost double what I earn as a BSN; and quite a bit more than double to what is listed in the article for plumbers.

    Everyone's job is important, regardless of what you consider skill. I know what I do counts, just as much, and no more than the excellent job housekeeping does at our hospital. I'm only insulted if someone would consider me useless.


    Don't flame me please. My only point is that one article does not the truth make, and don't look down on others or yourself based on career.
    No flames here. I've never understood where the idea that plumbers are akin to laborers came from. After all, haven't most of us written checks to plumbers? We should certainly know what they charge, and we must all agree that their service is worth it since we pay it. I know several plumbers, and there's not a dimwit in the bunch, that's for sure.
  5. by   TypicalFish
    Quote from mercyteapot
    No flames here. I've never understood where the idea that plumbers are akin to laborers came from. After all, haven't most of us written checks to plumbers? We should certainly know what they charge, and we must all agree that their service is worth it since we pay it. I know several plumbers, and there's not a dimwit in the bunch, that's for sure.

    Thanks, you made my dh's day
  6. by   mlynn
    Quote from kea6783
    I'm earning my BSN and I can tell you right now I'll never be paid what I am worth. And I'm a bit insulted when people tell me they can get "degree" in two years. Can you get your RN in two years? Yes, go ahead, but it's not a BS.
    While I am sure you are working hard for your BSN, please don't underestimate the difficulty of an Associates/Diploma nursing program. I am sure the ADN vs BSN vs LPN debate has had alot of action on these threads in the past, but keep in mind we are all on the same team here. Treating nurses who don't have a BSN as if they are inferior to those who do only makes our jobs more difficult. If you enter the hospital setting feeling superior simply because of the letters after your name you will soon find yourself without alot of good nurses as resources.
  7. by   NurseLatteDNP
    Quote from mlynn
    While I am sure you are working hard for your BSN, please don't underestimate the difficulty of an Associates/Diploma nursing program. I am sure the ADN vs BSN vs LPN debate has had alot of action on these threads in the past, but keep in mind we are all on the same team here. Treating nurses who don't have a BSN as if they are inferior to those who do only makes our jobs more difficult. If you enter the hospital setting feeling superior simply because of the letters after your name you will soon find yourself without alot of good nurses as resources.
    :yeahthat:
    I could not have said it better myself.
  8. by   Thunderwolf
    Let us agree here that "nurses" are ALLNURSES.

    Now, is that a plug for this site or not?

    We all have worked hard to become one or are working hard towards it. No dispute there. Let's not fractionate into the old debate and whip the dead horse again.

    Hugs and kisses

    Wolfie
  9. by   MissPiggy
    Registered nurse, $48,090
    Customer-service representative, $26,240
    Sales representative (in nontechnical wholesale and manufacturing), $42,730
    Truck driver, heavy and tractor-trailer, $33,210
    Maintenance and repair worker, general, $29,370
    Bookkeeping, accounting and auditing clerk, $27,380
    Executive secretary and administrative assistant, $33,410
    Secretary (not legal, medical and executive), $25,290
    Carpenter, $34,190
    Automotive-service technician and mechanic, $30,590
    Police and sheriff's patrol officer, $42,270
    Licensed practical and licensed vocational nurse, $31,440
    Electrician, $41,390
    All other sales and related workers, $35,170
    Computer-support specialist, $39,100
    Plumber, pipefitter and steamfitter, $40,170
    Note that the report uses national employment data. Local labor markets will vary.


    Andrea Coombes is a reporter for MarketWatch in San Francisco.


    I notice that the writer didn't group reporters in that group... interesting, don't you think?
    :chuckle
  10. by   RN4NICU
    Quote from MissPiggy
    Registered nurse, $48,090
    Customer-service representative, $26,240
    Sales representative (in nontechnical wholesale and manufacturing), $42,730
    Truck driver, heavy and tractor-trailer, $33,210
    Maintenance and repair worker, general, $29,370
    Bookkeeping, accounting and auditing clerk, $27,380
    Executive secretary and administrative assistant, $33,410
    Secretary (not legal, medical and executive), $25,290
    Carpenter, $34,190
    Automotive-service technician and mechanic, $30,590
    Police and sheriff's patrol officer, $42,270
    Licensed practical and licensed vocational nurse, $31,440
    Electrician, $41,390
    All other sales and related workers, $35,170
    Computer-support specialist, $39,100
    Plumber, pipefitter and steamfitter, $40,170
    Note that the report uses national employment data. Local labor markets will vary.


    Andrea Coombes is a reporter for MarketWatch in San Francisco.


    I notice that the writer didn't group reporters in that group... interesting, don't you think?
    :chuckle

    Maybe it just didn't make the list. Salary.com listed the median income (national average) for an entry-level reporter to be $28,226.

    By the way, you can get an associates degree in journalism too.
    Last edit by RN4NICU on Nov 3, '05
  11. by   mtnmom
    Registered nurse, $48,090 ???

    not for a beginning nurse! at least not in my part of the world! not even for this RN with 5 yrs under the belt - unless I did a load of OT
  12. by   brina
    I didn't think that the article was insulting. I think that it was very truthful. The fact is, there are not many fields where you can make $20 + an hour without a college degree. College degree meaning the standard 4yr. education. I didn't know when I was 18, 19, 20, that nurses made pretty good money, and I DEFINITELY didn't know that I could do it with a 2 yr. education. If I did, I probably would have went the AD nurse route at 18. In high school, the push is for students to go to college and become doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. To make the $50,000 a yr starting salary, most students tend to think that a Bachelors degree (at the least) is the only way to do it. I know that I did. It was almost like a well kept secret about the Associates Degree nursing program and that you could make a good living with it. So, lets be honest and realize and recognize that the nursing profession is one of very few that you can make this type of money with the capability of making much more ($100,00 plus with agency, travel, overtime), with having a diploma certificate, or 2yr.degree. I don't think the article said that nursing was easy, or that it didn't take intelligence to do, .... just that it was a field that a person could get into without lots of education.
  13. by   RN4NICU
    Quote from mtnmom
    Registered nurse, $48,090 ???

    not for a beginning nurse! at least not in my part of the world! not even for this RN with 5 yrs under the belt - unless I did a load of OT
    I would bet that figure, as well, is a national average. West coast and northeast earn much more than nurses in the southeast or midwest, for example (according to the last salary survey I saw, anyway).

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