This article insults nursing as a lower skilled job

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i just read this article that down plays the work and hard study that rn's all put in to obtain a degree in college or a university. i feel insulted and plan to write them. :angryfire and a i am trying to "edit" to stay legal here, it is the fact that nursing is lumped into the mind set of a "lower skilled job" that precisely burns me up.

no college? not necessarily a problem

report points to 16 good fields for lower-skilled workers

by andrea coombes, marketwatch

last update: 7:36 pm et oct. 27, 2005

san francisco (marketwatch) -- the reigning assumption among many americans is that teenagers go directly from high school to college, but that's not the way life always works.

just 27% of americans over age 25 hold bachelor's degrees or higher, according to 2004 census data. see the census data.

the report details 16 jobs, all in growing industries, that pay more than $25,000 a year, are available to workers holding an associate's degree or less, and don't require a significant amount of previous work experience.

those occupations include nursing, carpentry, bookkeeping, plumbers and electricians. (see full list below.)

"there's no question that the payoff for a college degree is highly valuable and getting more valuable every year, [but] there are major occupations with large numbers of jobs going wanting that pay reasonably good wages, and are within reach of working adults that don't yet have postsecondary education," rubin said.

some barriers to entry

but just because you don't necessarily need a college degree doesn't mean entry into these jobs is easy.

for instance, "registered nurse" tops the list of 16 jobs because it has the greatest number of projected annual job openings, but that job poses barriers for some lower-skilled entrants, including training programs that tend to be highly competitive and full-time.

"registered nurse is certainly an excellent paying occupation and an occupation where there are tremendous shortages," rubin said. but, he added, entry to the field usually requires at least three years of full-time study and "very, very strong math and science skills."

an alternative is to become a licensed practical nurse, another job on the list. certification is often available through part-time training programs, making that occupation a more manageable entry point into the nursing field for those needing to support themselves and a family.

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Registered nurse, $48,090 ???

not for a beginning nurse! at least not in my part of the world! not even for this RN with 5 yrs under the belt - unless I did a load of OT

I didn't think that the article was insulting. I think that it was very truthful. The fact is, there are not many fields where you can make $20 + an hour without a college degree. College degree meaning the standard 4yr. education. I didn't know when I was 18, 19, 20, that nurses made pretty good money, and I DEFINITELY didn't know that I could do it with a 2 yr. education. If I did, I probably would have went the AD nurse route at 18. In high school, the push is for students to go to college and become doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. To make the $50,000 a yr starting salary, most students tend to think that a Bachelors degree (at the least) is the only way to do it. I know that I did. It was almost like a well kept secret about the Associates Degree nursing program and that you could make a good living with it. So, lets be honest and realize and recognize that the nursing profession is one of very few that you can make this type of money with the capability of making much more ($100,00 plus with agency, travel, overtime), with having a diploma certificate, or 2yr.degree. I don't think the article said that nursing was easy, or that it didn't take intelligence to do, .... just that it was a field that a person could get into without lots of education.

Registered nurse, $48,090 ???

not for a beginning nurse! at least not in my part of the world! not even for this RN with 5 yrs under the belt - unless I did a load of OT

I would bet that figure, as well, is a national average. West coast and northeast earn much more than nurses in the southeast or midwest, for example (according to the last salary survey I saw, anyway).

I lived in South San Fran. (where the reporter is coming from) for several years and lets just say that if any one thinks that $49,000.00 a year is a good living there is mistaken. That salary in that area will not buy you card board box next to "Bush Man" or the "Tin Man" :rotfl: . Now that I have moved to the second most expensive region in the country, I still maintain that no amount of money should ever drive the nursing field.

While I am sure you are working hard for your BSN, please don't underestimate the difficulty of an Associates/Diploma nursing program. I am sure the ADN vs BSN vs LPN debate has had alot of action on these threads in the past, but keep in mind we are all on the same team here. Treating nurses who don't have a BSN as if they are inferior to those who do only makes our jobs more difficult. If you enter the hospital setting feeling superior simply because of the letters after your name you will soon find yourself without alot of good nurses as resources.

I didnt' mean to insult anyone, I was just making a point and referenced personal experiences. :kiss

Didn't mean to bring up the ASN vs BSN which is a taboo on this site, but at the same time, I want to proud of the fact that I went the longer route. I don't think anyone should make me feel bad about that or ashamed for not opting for the Associates Degree..

I LOVE EVERYONE! Don't flame me ;)

Edit: Also, I wanted to add.. I didn't say I'll never be paid what I am worth because I will have a BSN. I say that based on work ethic...

No flames here. I've never understood where the idea that plumbers are akin to laborers came from. After all, haven't most of us written checks to plumbers? We should certainly know what they charge, and we must all agree that their service is worth it since we pay it. I know several plumbers, and there's not a dimwit in the bunch, that's for sure.

my husband is an electrician and while he only had to attend college part time for 2 years for his certificate, he had to log thousands of hours in differing specialties and pass state exams to receive his journeymans license. Not everyone can cut it in any of these careers.

Don't think that just because someone is a plumber or carpenter or even an electriction that they are not well educated. My husband is a union pipefitter for the international union. He just happens to be the Director of Training for his union. This means that he is responsible for the training of the apprentices and the journeymen. These apprentices serve a 5 year program where they must attend school two nights a week at night and work during the day. This and the other skilled trades work with a college so that when they are done with their 5 year apprenticeship and after taking a few online classes at the union hall, they have their associates degree.

I finish my BSN in December...... YEAHHHHHH!!! and with all of the certifications and continuing education I think all of the journeymen and apprentices have as much education as I have and now they have degrees as well... plus they make more money then a nurse does.

What makes a BSN better than an ADN? I did not find the article insulting, what I do find insulting is that people think that a higher degree makes you a better nurse. I'm only an LPN, but I am stilla real nurse and my patients still depend on my skills and knowledge.

The article is one of (far too) many written by members of a news media that so many listen to and loyally follow. Many years ago, when the mainstream news media was based on news (rather than opinion and fabricated stories), I was honored to be a part of that profession. Report something inaccurately, and it's your sorry butt out there looking for another job (I even made certain that names were pronounced correctly!). Today, any "journalist" who makes up and/or perpetuates a story is feted and becomes the recipient of various awards from others in his own profession :angryfire - no wonder newspaper sales are lagging.......

Heck, If I were a plumber, I may be somewhat upset - plumbing is not an easy job by any means (try running a plumbing business sometime, including doing the actual work of installing and repairing various plumbing-related devices). Think about it for a moment..... we get our (gloved) hands into some stuff that people generate; they get their hands into the same stuff, although that stuff may have been sitting in a clogged drain or toilet for a while. EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! :barf01: Please consider also that plumbers (for example) will often come to your house to fix something after hours (and they rightfully charge for their services), while a few nurses call in because they do not feel like coming in to work, leaving the rest of their team short-handed. The remaining nurses then cannot get things done as efficiently, and patients notice this...... not intended as a slam against nurses, but this is what the general public sees. We have to realize that the public will comment and evaluate (i.e., via Press Ganey) what it thinks it knows and how it perceives what it sees, and little more.

Let us face it.... we, as professional nurses, have not done well enough in presenting ourselves to our public, despite how hard many of us try. Many of us do a good job at that, but still too many do not; we all need to keep doing better...... kick it up a notch, so to speak.

As Yogurt said in the movie Spaceballs, "the secret is marketing."

Specializes in PACU.

that is so true -- and I went in as a second career with a Masters Degree already -- I certainly dont feel low skilled . . . I feel more value and love for the job than when I was an administrator that's for sure.

I still think the point of the title of the article (although clumsily written, granted) is not that nurses, plumbers, electricians, etc., are lower-skilled workers, but that these are good occupations for people who are lower-skilled workers now to enter in order to improve their future prospects (without requiring a baccalaureate degree).

i wrote her for ya!:madface:

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