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i just read this article that down plays the work and hard study that rn's all put in to obtain a degree in college or a university. i feel insulted and plan to write them. :angryfire and a i am trying to "edit" to stay legal here, it is the fact that nursing is lumped into the mind set of a "lower skilled job" that precisely burns me up.

no college? not necessarily a problem

report points to 16 good fields for lower-skilled workers

by andrea coombes, marketwatch

last update: 7:36 pm et oct. 27, 2005

san francisco (marketwatch) -- the reigning assumption among many americans is that teenagers go directly from high school to college, but that's not the way life always works.

just 27% of americans over age 25 hold bachelor's degrees or higher, according to 2004 census data. see the census data.

the report details 16 jobs, all in growing industries, that pay more than $25,000 a year, are available to workers holding an associate's degree or less, and don't require a significant amount of previous work experience.

those occupations include nursing, carpentry, bookkeeping, plumbers and electricians. (see full list below.)

"there's no question that the payoff for a college degree is highly valuable and getting more valuable every year, [but] there are major occupations with large numbers of jobs going wanting that pay reasonably good wages, and are within reach of working adults that don't yet have postsecondary education," rubin said.

some barriers to entry

but just because you don't necessarily need a college degree doesn't mean entry into these jobs is easy.

for instance, "registered nurse" tops the list of 16 jobs because it has the greatest number of projected annual job openings, but that job poses barriers for some lower-skilled entrants, including training programs that tend to be highly competitive and full-time.

"registered nurse is certainly an excellent paying occupation and an occupation where there are tremendous shortages," rubin said. but, he added, entry to the field usually requires at least three years of full-time study and "very, very strong math and science skills."

an alternative is to become a licensed practical nurse, another job on the list. certification is often available through part-time training programs, making that occupation a more manageable entry point into the nursing field for those needing to support themselves and a family.

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I will be attending med school in the fall 06 (ie my moniker). Do nurses have any idea what true professionals (ie MD, JD, PharmD, MBA, DDS, DVM,PhD) have endured to earn the salaries and respect afforded to them by society? Does anyone notice any similarities within the list? ALL hold advanced degrees. If nurses want more respect they must minimally have a BSN for entry to practice. Nursing will never be a 'profession' until a BSN (among many other things) is the minimum requirement for practice. Also, the nature of the work is blue collar. Which of the above professions wipes a**, fluffs pillows, orders trays, serves beverages, etc. NONE! Nurses should organize and unionize in order to demand that less skilled staff be responsible for these things. Come on guys do you all really know what professionals think of nursing? My former pre med classmates said the most derrogatory and demeaning things about nurses. Another RN who is already in the med school I will be attending next fall strongly urged me not to divulge my former occupation because my well educated upper class classmates will view me 'a dumb nurse' and my professors and attending/resident physicians will have less respect for me.

When will nursing become a true profession that one can be proud of?

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I will be attending med school in the fall 06 (ie my moniker). Do nurses have any idea what true professionals (ie MD, JD, PharmD, MBA, DDS, DVM,PhD) have endured to earn the salaries and respect afforded to them by society? Does anyone notice any similarities within the list? ALL hold advanced degrees. If nurses want more respect they must minimally have a BSN for entry to practice. Nursing will never be a 'profession' until a BSN (among many other things) is the minimum requirement for practice. Also, the nature of the work is blue collar. Which of the above professions wipes a**, fluffs pillows, orders trays, serves beverages, etc. NONE! Nurses should organize and unionize in order to demand that less skilled staff be responsible for these things. Come on guys do you all really know what professionals think of nursing? My former pre med classmates said the most derrogatory and demeaning things about nurses. Another RN who is already in the med school I will be attending next fall strongly urged me not to divulge my former occupation because my well educated upper class classmates will view me 'a dumb nurse' and my professors and attending/resident physicians will have less respect for me.

When will nursing become a true profession that one can be proud of?

:angryfire When individual nurses start taking responsibility for the image of the profession and start telling people what we do and how much intelligence, education, and expertise it takes to be a nurse, maybe? :angryfire

A couple of years ago I saw an poll on "most respected professions" among the general public. Both teachers and nurses placed ahead of MD's. RN2MD is so way off base. The nursing PROFESSION is well organized and unionized in many states. It is MD's that have so much infighting they can't get organized. I make more per hour than most of the MD's at my hospital because of their 80 to 100 hour weeks!

As far as a couple of a-hole pre-med students making derrogatory remarks, don't worry, I'll still teach you how to put in a foley and put on sterile gloves and warn you when your about to OD a patient with a miscalculation!

PS See the thread "Schwarzenegger drops nurse-staffing fight". CA nurses are organized and powerful. We rock!

I just had to jump in on this after reading what RN2MD had to say and quite frankly it is nurses like you who make me mad. :angryfire INstead of being proud where you started you won't tell "upper class med students " where you started? Give me a break. I think what you wrote was insulting. Your reasons for choosing a new career path are because you want more respect? Good luck because I know after many years of nursing there aren't too many med students or residents who are highly respected and if you are this callous towards your patients then you won't have their respect either. I don't enjoy the mundane parts of being a nurse but I chose nursing because I wanted to be with the people I was caring for, establish relationships and feel as though I was giving something back. I certainly agree nursing needs to be on the same page as far as education goes but that is not because I think we can't do a good job without a four year degree. I wish you luck in your program and hope that you don't tick off a nurse because really we are the interns best friend. Because nurses do ROCK!

Karefree

hi people! i am still a nursing student, and though this is my second course (i graduated BS Biology) i am proud to be a future nurse. and well, nurses the there for the patients, my sister is a doctor and she does not know how to compute the drops per minute of IV fluid. basically she just orderr nurses to do those stuff. and when i enlightened her. she saw nurses in a different light. i guess those who belittle us are plain ignorant at the moment and needs enlightenment.

but please do enlighten me, what do you mean by nurses that aren't bsn's? in all schools that i know, all nursing courses are BS. if not they are called nursing aides or care givers or midwives.

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I will be attending med school in the fall 06 (ie my moniker). Do nurses have any idea what true professionals (ie MD, JD, PharmD, MBA, DDS, DVM,PhD) have endured to earn the salaries and respect afforded to them by society? Does anyone notice any similarities within the list? ALL hold advanced degrees. If nurses want more respect they must minimally have a BSN for entry to practice. Nursing will never be a 'profession' until a BSN (among many other things) is the minimum requirement for practice. Also, the nature of the work is blue collar. Which of the above professions wipes a**, fluffs pillows, orders trays, serves beverages, etc. NONE! Nurses should organize and unionize in order to demand that less skilled staff be responsible for these things. Come on guys do you all really know what professionals think of nursing? My former pre med classmates said the most derrogatory and demeaning things about nurses. Another RN who is already in the med school I will be attending next fall strongly urged me not to divulge my former occupation because my well educated upper class classmates will view me 'a dumb nurse' and my professors and attending/resident physicians will have less respect for me.

When will nursing become a true profession that one can be proud of?

This quoted post is a great example of part of the problem, and nothing for the solution.

Actually I was initially pre-med in college. I only went into nursing as a default I was going to become a CRNA but realized I wanted more respect, status and $$$. Instead of nurses attacking one another you ladies should form a cohesive political force and fight for respect, DECENT WAGES, less hazardous working conditions, etc. However, it would be difficult to do that with several entries to practice and incessant backbiting/backstabbing. Ladies expend all that negative energy on something worthwhile!

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Actually I was initially pre-med in college. I only went into nursing as a default I was going to become a CRNA but realized I wanted more respect, status and $$$. Instead of nurses attacking one another you ladies should form a cohesive political force and fight for respect, DECENT WAGES, less hazardous working conditions, etc. However, it would be difficult to do that with several entries to practice and incessant backbiting/backstabbing. Ladies expend all that negative energy on something worthwhile!

You only went into nursing as a default? That's sad.

Apparently nursing is only for those courageous enough to go into a field in which there is rampant disrespect, poor wages, hazardous working conditions, negative energy and backbiting/backstabbing.

Hmm. So I then have to conclude, based on your own words, that those of us who actually CHOSE to be nurses are either complete idiots or absolute heroes.

My vote's with the latter.

Where I work the MD's are employees just like the RN's. For the most part, we respect each other and work together as a team. Being a teaching hospital gives RN's the added task of keeping an eye on med students, interns & junior residents. Occasionally we get a young doc with "all attitude and no knowledge". A couple of reamings from the chief resident or attending usually straightens them out. The young docs come and go (some good and some bad) but the core staff RN's & MD's get along well and treat each other well. Being an a-hole has nothing to do with your education level, just your personality!

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do not assume all people here are "ladies" RN2MD. That is a huge mistake and won't get your point across anyhow. You make a lot of assumptions as it is.

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Actually I was initially pre-med in college. I only went into nursing as a default I was going to become a CRNA but realized I wanted more respect, status and $$$. Instead of nurses attacking one another you ladies should form a cohesive political force and fight for respect, DECENT WAGES, less hazardous working conditions, etc. However, it would be difficult to do that with several entries to practice and incessant backbiting/backstabbing. Ladies expend all that negative energy on something worthwhile!

What's with the "you ladies" talk?

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