These docs are gonna fight!

[chenoaspirit, ASN, RN]

My patient....

Today the surgeon tells my patient that he will perform surgery tomorrow.

The other doc (primary) told this patient that if this doc does the surgery that he will not come out of the surgery alive. This surgeon will be livid when doing rounds this evening and the patient corners him.

Same primary doc...

Tells us nurses today that his patient could NOT leave AMA, that we should have restrained him and called the cops! :omy: Hmm, exactly what would we tell the cops doc?!

DOC vs DOC :argue::smiley_ab:chair:

Its gonna get interesting.

[nrsang97, BSN, RN]

Why can't they just play nice? Would be great if they could though.

[crissrn27, RN]

I can't BELIEVE he said that to the pt!! Ohh, they are gonna go at it!

[MikeyJ, RN]

I have never seen docs argue, although you can definitely feel the tension between certain specialities.

[RNSC]

Let us know what happens

[bagladyrn, RN]

I have never seen docs argue, although you can definitely feel the tension between certain specialities.

There was a case I knew of some years ago in AZ where one doc took out a contract on another doc. (No joke!)

[SpeedracerRN]

Sounds like your patient is gonna need a good advocate to get through this.

Time to shine, but be diplomatic as you can. If one of the Docs is a known tool bag, and the other is good it should be easy.

If they are both nincompoops, duck!

[leslie :-D]

hoping the pt has/had access to surgeon's hx and 'success rate'.

and, if surgeon does have excellent hx, would prim md be responsible for slander?

it should be interesting to see how this plays out.

bottom line, pt is getting 2 differing opinions. (surg vs pcp)

hope it's properly resolved.

leslie

[sissiesmama, ASN, RN]

Sounds like it's going to be a shooting at the "OK Corral!!! Love to be a fly on the wall!!! (Just kidding!) Good luck!

Anne, RNC :paw::paw::paw:

[htrn]

When do tickets go on sale - I would love to watch this one play out, from an invisible vantage point though. I don't envy you or your patient in all of this.

[kcalohagirl]

What an awful position for the nurses to be in!!!!!!

Because, I'm sorry, but you know that the patient is going to be asking the nurses questions. . . .and questions that the nurses can't legally or ethically answer.

I work CTS (cardiothoracic surgery), and I have seen patients that I personally wonder why in holy h*** the surgeons are cutting this person open.

Sometimes there are good outcomes, sometimes bad. Sometimes, the surgery is the wake up call a patient needs to make much needed changes in their life, sometimes, they don't make a single adjustment. . . .

There are times that you, as a nurse, may look at a patient, and given the comorbidities, past history, etc, you may think that the patient has no freaking chance of surviving the surgery.

And sometimes they will surprise you.

I would not want to be a nurse put in the middle of this "war" between the MD's.

[mpccrn, BSN, RN]

surgeons are surgeons......they always want to cut. they don't see the big picture usually and never want to manage anything more than the incision itself, always putting consults in to real docs to manage the total patient. i had a surgeon once, not too long ago, actually tell a daughter that he wanted to take her dad back to the OR. her dad was dying, knew it and was ok with it.....he went to the OR several times that hospitalization...he was unfixable.....anyway, this surgeon wanted permission to go back in....the daughter asked, "can this help my dad?"...the surgeons response...."no, but i just want to see"......i thought she was going to hit him! and he would have deserved it! :bowingpur