Retraining Displaced Workers As Nurses - page 2

When the economy started to slump after the financial meltdown in the U.S. several years ago, masses of displaced workers suddenly began to view nursing as a safe haven. The nursing profession... Read More

  1. Visit  kcmylorn profile page
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    netglow- My thoughts on this is that the money for unemployement checks come out of the state's funds. If I am reading your post correctly this is a good thing, which hopefully will spark for other politicians in other states to start similar actions and restrictions to prevent out of state workers coming in to take jobs away from state's residents. The message I get is 'we are going to employ our own first, and then if anything left" It stimulates the state's economy when it's residents are employed, not, when it's workers live in a neighboring state, take their money to their home state and spends said money in their own neighboring home state. When that happens money goes out of one state and is poured into another state .Draining the employer state and we residents of the employer state end up with lack of jobs and a higher cost of living. When that happened in my state- I am guessing around 2008-2009( the first I heard of it was 2009), my state was reported as "hemorrhaging residents"- meaning people were loosing their incomes, selling their homes and moving out of state. I had one patient tell me she and her family had sold their home and we moving out of state, they couldn't afford to live here anymore: but to do so, they had to pay out of the sale profit and certain % of the fee to the state to do so.

    I know in my state, to attain a state position- be it anything: accounting, IT, garbage collector, nurse for the Public health dept's, it is now has residency requirements. My state was high on the US's unemployment list( above the national average), the foreclosure list(was #3 on the national list) and the bancruptcy list( was #5 on the US's list). My state has one of the highest property tax rates( again it was #1 or #2). My state was high on the nursing salary list( was #3 behind California and NYC). Our nursing salaries for new grads start at $32/ It is in commuter distance to 2 major cities and has plenty of mass transit. Students from all around the country flocked here approx 2-3 yrs ago for nursing positions. Now there are NO jobs to be found in any of the area hospitals - I have at least 7 major university Medical centers around me.
    It has always left a bad taste in my mouth that new grads should be living on one coast and having to apply for nursing positions on the other. I think this is very destructive to the since of "family" and leaves a person without a support system. Which in my opinnion, is not healthy. Which contributes to that calleousness, cold, detatched personality that is often read about.

    Also what is fueling the issue of displaced workers/ in commuter's article is the immigration of nurses from other countries. We have an extremely high percentage of foreign nurses employed in our hospital systems.
    Last edit by kcmylorn on Jul 18, '12
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  2. Visit  yadi87 profile page
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    simply put the reason many displaced workers dont flock to become MD's is for the following reasons

    1. 4 year degree preferred ( in biological scienes as it includes most all pre-reqs needed to apply)
    2. stellar undergrad GPA 3.8 and higher to be "competetive"
    3. take MCAT and pass with an above average score if your GPA is lower than 3.8
    4. If you dont get scholarship get over 100k in debt to pay for school
    5. dedicate 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of medical schoox, + x amount of years for residency depending on specialty

    for all theses reasons many people dont have the dedication to do all this to become an MD when you can go to school for 2yr. get adn and work as an RN and make alot more than minimum wage.

    is a new RN salary decent ...short answer yes many people dont make more than 20 bucks an hour and only have to work 3 days a week

    are you going to be able to buy a house cash or a maserati a few years into nursing...short answer...no

    has there been nurses that can ...yes..but typically they are ARNP, DON, or make over 40/hr due to many many many years of exp.
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  3. Visit  netglow profile page
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    The Chicago and surrounding burbs also has an extremely high percentage of foreign nurses hired into the hospital system - the LTCs as well. This is a tremendous problem that has affected employment prospects for those locally too. As these nurses move up the chain, some do preferentially hire only nurses from their homeland. Which I think is wrong if they want to continue to live here and be considered Americans. I used to think that this practice was not real, but I quickly was informed of it by those very nurses at my clinical sites.

    The only problem I have with the keeping it local thing, is, that you and your family can be citizens for generations - but you decide to go to that fancy college you were accepted at because you worked hard in school, that college being not in Chicago or Cook County makes you a less preferred hire.
  4. Visit  linzjane88 profile page
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    Our small community went crazy with the retraining of workers into the "in demand"field of nursing. The paper did an article about the record student enrollments into the local community college...numbers that hadn't been seen in years.and what was everyone going for? Nursing ! Out of 3600 full time students 1200 (approximately) were majoring in nursing...at a school who takes 80 students per year in a town with one hospital. What are people thinking!?
  5. Visit  kcmylorn profile page
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    In my day; nurses had to have stellar grads to gain entry, continiously and stay in the program and hopefully to get to graduate. Like I posted- Nursing was not on the "hot" list for careers. We didn't have all these back door avenues to get into nursing school and yes, for the very few that did have the qualification to gain entry- there was waiting lists. The entry requirements were stricter, not many saw it as a "get rich quick scheme". Nursing was not and still isn't nor will it ever be, something you could force yourself to like or live with or through due to the nature of the work Back then - the "men were very quickly separated from the boys" so to say. A class could start out with 78 students and by the end of the first year drop down to 30 students and end up with a graduation class of 22.

    There is only a very small percentage out there today that "should" be a nurse, just as it was back then. We used to have a phrase back then- "not nursing material"- well that still holds true still today,. only now the pool of nurses is greater and the great majority of which "are not nursing material" Those that cat claw, the all about "ME", get others fired- that power trip personality. Those are poeple who came from nothing and now have a status( so they think) they don't take seriously the responsibility that the job entails. When healthcare systems are so money driven with the business philosopy, that kind of selfish, self centered , reckless personality keeps be boobing around until some patient is harmed and then, too, they know exactly what to say and do to get them self off the hook. It's sad to say but nursing should have an ethics and a morality test as a pre req to gain entry into a program. Not just a essay that one can download and BS their way through like a greeting card. These are the "Hallmark" nurses but when push comes to shove- they are sad cases and a threat to patient safety. Why in the world are so many nursing students posting about- "Nursing is my dreeeeeam job. I t is my passion. I have a criminal conviction for ...... but it want my fault, do you think I will be disqualified. Back in my day- well, yeah!!! for sure!!!! if it was your dreeeeeam job and Passion, you should have given your actions more serious thought. Drug, DUI and shoplifiting and all the other criminal ditties I read posted on here, were not just invented with that Lindsey Lohman creature or that other jerk before her, Winona Rider. My generation coined the phase: "Sex, Drugs and Rockn'Roll" But those of us who wanted to go into nursing from our HS years KNEW, that if we were involved with any of this, our chances of our DREEEEEEEEEAM job would be gone!!! we kept our noses clean and our records.

    For all those little ex cons out there thinking of nursing as your DREEEEEEEEEEEEEAm job- think seriously and hard of the responsibility and trust that a nurse has bestowed on them and then ask yourself honestly- am I really right for a profession that is responsible for some strangers life and well being. Do my actions really indicate that I am a responsible and accountable person. this should also go for nurses aids. I have seen nurses aids do some really horrendous and horrific things to patients up to and including pulling an elderly woman's arm out of her shoulder joint. Careless, thoughtless rough mishandling of a frail old lady.
    Last edit by kcmylorn on Jul 18, '12
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  6. Visit  dee78 profile page
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    I am also a displaced worker that allowed WIA to help me through school. Nursing was always my goal, I completed all prereqs and got accepted into a program but declined it because I was going through a divorce and raising 2 young children. I worked in a different field for over 5 years when I was laid off. This was my opportunity to become a nurse. I was planning on going the online route but that didn't work out so I chose to start with LPN. A friend told me about WIA so I checked it out.

    WIA only pays after other grants and scholarships are awarded. So they only paid for the extras of LPN school. After I graduated in December, I began searching for a job while waiting for my acceptance letter into RN school. I was a single mother and my availablity was limited, I was unable to find a job. I continued to communicate with my case worker and she said they had some extra funds and offered to help with RN school. Again, all they paid for was the extras. I just graduated and will begin my job next year. They may have paid out a total of $1000 for the 2 programs but they were also a great support system for me.

    I got married in December, my husband was laid off in February. He will now begin working toward his RN...just kidding. WIA is helping him with a tech diploma. The program is not set up to send people into nursing school. They have material regarding many different programs, mostly technical. We did our own research and knew what program he wanted to enter, they looked it up and agreed to help.

    If the money weren't going to WIA, it would go to a different program...at least WIA is helping to better lives.
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  7. Visit  dudette10 profile page
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    netglow: Here's the text of the press release.

    CHICAGO - Mayor Emanuel today announced that Allscripts will add 40 more jobs to its Chicago office at the Merchandise Mart, as part of a new program announced by the Mayor to help City Colleges graduates find immediate, consistent employment. The jobs will be created in conjunction with the City Colleges ambitious College to Careers program, and will help students in Health IT enter the workforce in these critical roles.

    “I am focused on helping City Colleges train the workers who will carry Chicago’s economy to future successes,” said Mayor Emanuel. “This program will help us create jobs that are available immediately for graduates of the City Colleges.”

    Allscripts has committed to train 40 new graduates from the City Colleges of Chicago and equip them to achieve their Health Information Technology (HIT) certification. At the same time, Allscripts will transition the employees to full-time employment – working in roles within the company’s services, support, and development organizations. The entry-level positions will allow students to transition directly into the workforce at the end of their studies. The City of Chicago has agreed to pay the salaries of the 40 employees for the first six months of their tenure using TIF surplus resources; after that Allscripts will take over their salaries. According to Allscripts officials, after the first year or two in the job, many of these employees will be making $50,000 to $80,000 per year.

    “These are exactly the sort of jobs we are looking to create for Chicagoans,” said Mayor Emanuel. “These positions are on the front line of the growing field of Healthcare IT, and I am pleased that we can train Chicagoans and help them get these jobs of tomorrow.”

    “I am very happy that we can continue to invest in the city of Chicago, advance the public-private partnership between our company and the City, and support the Mayor in the College to Careers program,” said Allscripts Chief Executive Officer Glen Tullman. “There’s no issue more pressing than getting Americans back to work and Allscripts is proud to do its part by creating meaningful, high-tech jobs in our local community, and fostering opportunity for Chicagoans to enter the growing and critical field of Healthcare IT.”

    Mayor Emanuel made the announcement as part of his commencement address at the City Colleges of Chicago graduation ceremony.. This year, City Colleges granted nearly 3,300 associates degrees, up 800 from 2011 and double the number from ten years ago.

    Allscripts is the leading global provider of Electronic Health Records, Connectivity and Information systems to hospitals and physicians. Previously, the company announced that it will be adding approximately 300 new jobs in the City of Chicago by the end of 2012. In addition, beginning in 2012, the company will hold its annual users conference at McCormick Place through 2014. The jobs being announced today are in addition to the previous announcement.

    Allscripts is one of Chicago’s fastest growing companies, having been named to the Crain’s Chicago Business Fast Fifty list for the last five years.

    Nearly 25 companies have made commitments to add jobs in Chicago since Mayor Emanuel took office, totaling more than 15,000 jobs.
    I have mixed feelings on this. I'd like to see the fine print on the contract between the City and the companies that hire the graduates. I would also like to see a residency requirement for the employee. People fake their permanent addresses all the time.

    Example: I was enrolling my son in our local Chicago public high school. The registration letter clearly indicated that a birth certificate of the child, a state ID of the parent, and a recent utility bill proving enrollment boundary residency be provided. The person in front of me had a US birth cert for the kid, an out-of-country ID for the parent, and a year-old non-utility bill with a different name that had a local address on it. Guess what? The kid was enrolled. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
  8. Visit  Mulan profile page
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    Quote from dudette10
    netglow: Here's the text of the press release.



    I have mixed feelings on this. I'd like to see the fine print on the contract between the City and the companies that hire the graduates. I would also like to see a residency requirement for the employee. People fake their permanent addresses all the time.

    Example: I was enrolling my son in our local Chicago public high school. The registration letter clearly indicated that a birth certificate of the child, a state ID of the parent, and a recent utility bill proving enrollment boundary residency be provided. The person in front of me had a US birth cert for the kid, an out-of-country ID for the parent, and a year-old non-utility bill with a different name that had a local address on it. Guess what? The kid was enrolled. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
    So what did you do about it?
  9. Visit  netglow profile page
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    dudette, yes i did find that release too. but the one i was thinking of was a live news conference i think earlier by a few months where he talked about nurses ...i think i remember him also saying that dupage county nurses shouldn't be taking cook county nurse jobs, etc. then he went on about alliances with rush, loyola etc. and the like.
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  10. Visit  eleectrosaurus profile page
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    Quote from kcmylorn
    In my day; nurses had to have stellar grads to gain entry, continiously and stay in the program and hopefully to get to graduate. Like I posted- Nursing was not on the "hot" list for careers. We didn't have all these back door avenues to get into nursing school.......

    .......There is only a very small percentage out there today that "should" be a nurse, just as it was back then. We used to have a phrase back then- "not nursing material"- well that still holds true still today,. only now the pool of nurses is greater and the great majority of which "are not nursing material"
    I hear you! I graduated this may from a Community College that is admittedly "old school" we started with 88 people in fundementals and 18 of us graduated! Everyone who graduated is seriously hungry to be a nurse. So far every single one of us has passed the nclex in 75 questions.

    What kills me and what i think is seriously hurting the industry are the private schools, basically 'pay to play'. They aren't in the business of making great nurses they are in the business of making money. In clinicals we ran circles around the students from prestigious private schools. and we get the bum rep from going to a CC.
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  11. Visit  dudette10 profile page
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    Quote from Mulan
    So what did you do about it?
    Oh please. What do you suggest that I would have done about it? The woman taking registrations clearly has seen this before and let it occur, and nothing I would have said would make a difference. Maybe one kid wouldn't have been registered, but that changes nothing.

    I don't wish to become an activist for every single situation that makes my jaw drop.
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  12. Visit  Mulan profile page
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    I would have gone to whoever/whatever agency was in charge, even to the media if necessary.

    If you're not willing to do something about it, don't complain about it.
  13. Visit  dee78 profile page
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    Some things are not worth the time and effort to fight about it, that doesn't mean that you can't disagree or voice concern about the situation. Constantly tattling on people would be a very negative way to live.
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