Maintaining the license without work, and a general rant - page 3
So, I'm one of those once-upon-a-time new grads who is no longer a new grad but who has been unable to find employment. I'm building this little patchwork of short term employment situations (camp... Read More
1Sep 13, '11 by hotflashion, BSN, RNQuote from XXWeaponXI have given up thinking I have the remotest chance to work in an acute care setting. I don't really want to work in an acute care setting anyway, I realized this after a year of concentrating my job search on hospitals. I still think that 1-2 years acute care experience is a good base, maybe even the best, but it's just not going to happen. I have applied to many different settings: LTC, rehab, long term acute, sub-acute, abortion clinic, assisted living, psychiatric hospital, well known health care for the homeless program in nearby Bigtown, public health, VA. My latest targets are community health centers/clinics because I think that is the type of nursing I want to do and the population I want to work with. I don't know what a registry is, but it sounds like an agency; agencies in my area do not want nurses without experience.You are getting jobs like Flu shot nurse, and things like that. Have you considered to focus your job hunt outside of acute care? You are getting jobs, it is clicking with some interviewers, which means you'd click with others. Consider working in an medical clinic, prison, jail, or research environment instead of a hospital.
Also, what about registries?
As for prison nursing, I've been on two tours and had one interview. The first prison was a federal prison and the physical requirements are quite rigorous! Since my goal is to get fit this year, it's possible that I would be able to be in shape enough to complete the almost-like-basic training required. The other tour and interview was at a state prison for women; they gave me a 5 minute interview (TYVM), and I obviously didn't have what they were looking for. Research is one of the areas I have an interest in, but rare is the job that does not require experience in that setting. I have tried to get hired as a clinical research coordinator (I would be very happy to start there!) as a way to get my foot in the door, but when I finagled a conversation with the hiring manager (after she'd evidently decided not to interview me), she told me outright that she wouldn't hire me because once I found an RN job I would leave and she wanted someone who would stay 2 years.
The last interview I had was for a part time position at an adult day health center. Not my first choice, but I would probably enjoy that population. The hiring manager told me she didn't want to hire a new grad but she'd only received applications from new grads. I thought I did well on the interview, but never received a call back. I did not pursue it because I was wary of being dropped into a situation without adequate training. (Already been there done that, it was dangerous and I got out after 4 weeks.)
I keep trying. I will keep trying. But it's a grind. And I hate being in limbo.
1Sep 13, '11 by applewhiternSad to say, but a lot of it probably is your age. They keep wanting to raise the retirement age, but the truth is that once you get in your 50's, it is much harder to find a job. Not just in nursing, but in everything. It is ridiculous for people to say "just move." I have a job, but if I didn't, there is no way I would consider moving away from my family and home.
2Sep 13, '11 by caliotter3Quote from XXWeaponXRead a post just yesterday from an LPN who got an RN license and is now unemployed. One of my employers told me that when the RN license came along, I would have to go get a year's experience with another employer before they would consider giving me work as an RN.Yeah, seconding this. I really want to go back to school for my MSN/RN (I'm an LVN). But I'm scared that I will leave my LVN job only to find that I can't get a job as an RN.
3Sep 13, '11 by QuickbeamI am astonished at the proliferation of new schools of nursing in my region, all making pie in the sky promises about the great unsinkable nursing career. I'm in my 50's and I happen to be the only nurse in my group of friends. They all call me now, wanting to know if their kid should go to school for nursing. I give then the following: at 1 year, 20 % of my class had left nursing. At 5 years 50% were gone. By 10 years I was the only one still actively practicing. Even when jobs were begging, it isn't for everyone.Last edit by Quickbeam on Sep 13, '11 : Reason: typo
1Sep 13, '11 by brandy1017I watched a video College Conspiracy and there was a dentist on it that had over $150,000 in loans with interest now over $250,000 and some of her loans were HEAL loans, govt healthcare loans and they have now banned her from taking care of medicare patients since that loan went into default. She says she can't take any medicare or govt workers and has been lucky the group she works for has accommodated her by giving her private pay/insurance patients but that she doesn't make near enough to pay back her loans.
So I wonder how this applies to nurses with HEAL loans? Of course if you go into default for non-payment they will take your license to practice away any way so the point would be mute!
I've read there are a lot of doctors and chiropractors with HEAL loans that cannot treat or get paid for medicare patients and there are in a catch 22. Chiropractors especially have had troubles keeping up a private practice and paying back student loans due to the over saturation in the market as well as insurance limitations in the first place.
If its any comfort your not alone in the unemployment line. Until you can get full-time paid employment I would continue to turn to agency even consider getting travelers contract. Many nurses travel on 6 week assignments, room and board is paid for, plus your wage. Granted it would be difficult without having the solid experience but you could give it a try! Hopefully something will work out!
0Sep 13, '11 by aznurse1"about the bad behavior of many of the nurses they work with: mocking their patients, speaking of them derisively, not attending to a particular patient because they don't like them, and in general doing as little as possible because they want to be in Facebook or fooling around online"
Really??? because you can't get a job, you speak poorly of other nurses. Nurses have personal lives, they eat, they go to the bathroom, they check messages and email, just like other professional people do on their breaks or down time.
Join the club of people who disrespect, bully and poorly represent nurses to the public.
1Sep 13, '11 by brandy1017I'm not surprised CA has no openings, it is like a paradise to many people with the climate. ocean and wonderful views, plus it has the best staffing ratios in the nation! I can see why lots of nurses would relocate to sunny CA! But even CA has lots of problems, the govt is practically bankrupt, droughts, water shortages, earthquakes, and high utility bills. They just had a major blackout due to one mistake a state away! They import their electricity so they are susceptible to electricity blackmail like Enron was guilty of, even gas prices are quite high out there.
So as wonderful as CA can be there are other parts of the country to focus on for jobs! Like others said TX seems to have openings, we had several India nurses relocate to Texas with pay raises. Heard their are openings in ND as well.
3Sep 13, '11 by tyvinWe keep saying it's going to end but how can it when there are soooooo many new grads each year and the influx of foreign nurses is at an all time astounding rate. I really can't see just because the baby boomers retire that all will be fine. I am hearing so many young people going into nursing for the wrong reasons ... they are promised jobs with security. This defiantly saddens me.
Also where I am (to acknowledge the OPs post) there are no CEs or hours of work to renew the RN. I have worked in OR and WA as well and those places require both or at least did 12 years ago. I know a nurse who hasn't worked for 10 years and still has her license active here. Doesn't matter; there aren't any jobs.
I will tell of the island I call my home which is Kauai ... there are 2 hospitals, 3 emergency rooms (1 LTC commissioned to have an ER because of the remoteness and the other 2 ER are at the two hospital), a few LTC facilities (I can count 4), and the home health places, hospices, etc... The point is this island has a community college that spits out 40 something new grads a year and this island is the perfect place for all the experienced nurses who want to live in the sun (there are tons) and the foreign nurses and don't forget the online schools.
Now on Oahu there are many places to work but there are several universities and over a dozen community colleges with RN programs. The last person I talked to about the wait list said it was like 3 years. The saturation of all types of nurses is astounding. Perhaps the baby boomers will all drop sick but I doubt it since they are all very health conscious as far as I've seen.
This political nursing bull that's being fed to the public about nursing for over 20 years just changes the rhetoric to fit the situation. Now they hang their political hat on the baby boomers retiring. It's the same song just a different tune. Don't bet on it.
2Sep 13, '11 by XXWeaponXQuote from hotflashionYeah, the job climate SUCKS, no matter where you are. So what I would reccomend with research is NOT applying for positions like "coordinator," for 2 reasons: the position that you want is called "MP-Medical Personnel" This is the work that is done by LVNs/RNs on research studies. This is how you get your foot in the door for jobs like "protocol director" and "project manager". Coordinator positions are really hard work, for infinitesimal money, so you don't want to get in the door like that. Here is a site of that a doctor I know from another site started: http://www.nonclinicaljobs.com/ Maybe that will be helpful for you. I definitely understand your pain- while not exactly the same, my situation is similar. I am an LVN and ridiculously grateful that I a) have a job as an LVN b) work in research at a job I enjoy and c) really want my RN & MSN, and want to go back to school, but I am terrified to walk away from my job. On one hand, I have a job, and I'm beyond fortunate, on the other hand, that job is preventing me from following my goals, and on still another hand, if I follow my goals, there's no guarantee I'll ever find work again. It's all very frustrating.Research is one of the areas I have an interest in, but rare is the job that does not require experience in that setting. I have tried to get hired as a clinical research coordinator (I would be very happy to start there!) as a way to get my foot in the door, but when I finagled a conversation with the hiring manager (after she'd evidently decided not to interview me), she told me outright that she wouldn't hire me because once I found an RN job I would leave and she wanted someone who would stay 2 years.
I keep trying. I will keep trying. But it's a grind. And I hate being in limbo.