I asked my doctor for a licensed person Part 2

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Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.

I went back to the ENT today. I had a chance to talk to the former medic who had given me the injection last week. First I apologized to her for what I had said last week. She said she had not taken it personally, knew I was feeling very bad and thanked me for being concerned about her feelings.

She said she had gone home that night and discussed it with her dh (in medical field also) and she said they talked about how the office personnel does refer to all the MA's as nurses and that it really was not a good thing, it misleads patients and besides it's just wrong to claim a title that you don't have. She did not realize that it was illegal and said she was going to talk to the staff and the MA's about using their proper title. She said, however, that things may not change because those particular MA's think they are nurses in every sense.

I asked her why she had not been able to get her LPN? She kinda rolled her eye's and said "it's a sore subject with me" She has actually done all of her BSN minus clinicals and she will go next year to a local university to do clinicals and plans to get her MSN so she can teach nursing.

She told me how it was being a medic for 10 years in the middle east, mostly Iraq. The injuries were horrendous, they were constantly in code status, the things the Iraqi people did to their own people were unbelievable. She said she would never forget the things she had seen. She said she had learned a lot and felt as qualified if not more so than some of the nurses she worked side by side with but even though she knows she's not a nurse until she has her license in hand. She said I'm not even an MA, how about that?

We left it with a hug. hug.gif

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Specializes in Onco, palliative care, PCU, HH, hospice.

I think that was very nice and big of you to apologize to her, it sounds like everything worked out great! :)

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Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

So she's not a nurse or an MA and she's giving injections? Wonder if she's setting herself for trouble? Obviously she's qualified given her experience, but like she said........until she has license in hand...........

Good on you for apologizing.

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So she's not a nurse or an MA and she's giving injections?
Medical assistants are permitted to administer injections, because they are performing this skill under the licensure of the physicians that employ them.

DutchgirlRN: It was wonderful for you to apologize. Good for you! :yelclap:

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Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Medical assistants are permitted to administer injections, because they are performing this skill under the licensure of the physicians that employ them.

Ducthgirls said the person who gave her an injection said " She said I'm not even an MA, how about that?"

If trouble happens with an injection what does this person have to back her up regardless of experience or who good she is at it?

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The college that I grad. from has a bridge program for Medics. It is Kettering College of Medical Arts, I don't know if it is online. but maybe you can pass it along, she can maybe find out anything in her area.

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There is no law anywhere that says only licensd people can only give injections. If that were the case we could not teach injections to famly members and patients. They would not be allowed to give even insulin at home. Secondly the medic is working uner the MD's lic. They can hire who ever they want in their peractice to work for them and train them for what ever they want them to do. The government has no say in the private practice sector and what the docs do in thier practice regarding their employees and their jobs other than the usual osha crap.

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Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.
they can hire who ever they want in their peractice to work for them and train them for what ever they want them to do. the government has no say in the private practice sector and what the docs do in thier practice regarding their employees and their jobs other than the usual osha crap.

actually that's pretty sad imho thdeadhorse2.gifnow back to our regularly scheduled thread...? dead_thread.jpg

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Ducthgirls said the person who gave her an injection said " She said I’m not even an MA, how about that?"

If trouble happens with an injection what does this person have to back her up regardless of experience or who good she is at it?

The very reason for having indemnity insurance! No-one should work without it! IMHO. :)

I know I belong to a generation whereby things were somewhat different in nursing, (in the 60's -70's-80's), however, I cannot help but feel disappointed at how litigous things are today.

There were some excellent people working in the healthcare profession, talented, knowledgeable, educated, skillful, experienced and capable practitioners, yet they did not hold university degrees.

I am one of those people.

My training and qualifications were obtained under the old system = apprenticeship style. In the hospital setting, classroom etc.

Becoming a nurse wasn't achieved by attending university.

Tertiary education was introduced well after I trained and qualified.

I never felt a need or a desire to undertake further study to obtain a degree. I was an excellent and skilled nurse without one.

Since I had no intention to work other than at the 'coalface', I saw no point.

I already was a nurse! Qualified AND licensed.

I realise this is not about holding a degree or not. It's about being licensed.

I do wonder though, even if someone isn't licensed to administer an injection, does that preclude them from being able to do so?

If the person is trained and has skills and knowledge to be able to perform certain tasks, does holding a license guarantee they'll do better, be better, than a person without a license?

Sorry, I guess this is for an entirely other debate! lol

I'm not quite expressing well what I'm trying to convey here!

So, I'll shut-up! lol

No :flamesonbplease! :)

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PS:

Dutch, I'm glad you had an opportunity to sort it out with the person. :)

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medical assistants are permitted to administer injections, because they are performing this skill under the licensure of the physicians that employ them.

actually, the op said the person giving the injection is not an ma.

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Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.
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Dutch, I'm glad you had an opportunity to sort it out with the person. :)

Thanks Grace :redpinkhe Me too! :w00t: That's what this thread is all about, an FYI, an update, no more, no less

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