As an experienced RN, do you like/dislike having a student nurse assigned to you? - page 2
I'm in my 2nd semester of nursing school and have med/surg and OB clinicals this semester. I have to say I'm a bit bummed out (as are my classmates) by our clinical experience so far. In our OB clinical, the nurses seem... Read More
- 0Oct 7, '12 by nrsang97I never felt like I was a good teacher even though I was told I was by many orinetees that I have precepted. I do have to be reminded to let them do the skills that just come so automatic to me.
I deffinately don't mind having a student from time to time. I have also precepted for the day a flight medic in our ICU to get him used to having EVD's (ventric drains) and how to monitor them while he has the pt.
We were all students once upon a time. I had my son 3 years ago and let the med students in when I delivered (too bad my mother in law got into the room too LOL), and had student nurses.
- 1Oct 7, '12 by PalmHarborMomI am a student at the University of South Florida BSN program and my group is doing clinicals at the VA hospital here in Tampa. We have been so lucky!!! The nurses at the VA seem to take joy in quizzing us and showing us new things. We actually have to make sure that they know all the things that we are not allowed to do yet because this is our first semester.
As a student, I would like to thank all the nurses that take time out of their day to teach a student. We learn a great deal in the classroom and in lab but it is when we are in the hospital that we get to put our knowledge to the test. Being able to do things for the first time and know that you will guide us.... gives us hope that someday we will also be the type of great nurse that you have been to us. So the next time that your student is asking a million questions, just smile and think "Hey, this student really wants to be here"
Thank you for all that you do!
- 3Oct 7, '12 by Wise Woman RNI LOVED having students with me. I loved sharing my nursing stuff, encouraging them, laughing with them, and letting them learn from me... I used to be invited to come to post-conference for a little presentation, a little bit of telling them "war stories" from "back in the day," and generally just loved to have them run with me on the floor.. Some of the clinical instructors would make sure that their students got the "Wise Woman" experience during their clinicals.. Loved it.. I saved all their cards and letters, and go through them every now and then, and it makes me smile..
- 2Oct 7, '12 by sharpeimom GuideI always enjoyed having students. I loved sharing what knowledge and information I had with others. I'm married to a teacher and, while I realize I don't share his inate talent, I have always enjoyed sharing what I
I worked in a state mental hospital and many different types of patients were admitted. Many presented
unusual diseases even seasoned psych nurses hadn't seen before employment there. That was an ideal learning
situation for students.
Because our hospital usually got students near the end of their programs, they were serious not silly, tended
not to stand around and goof off, and wanted to do their best. As far as I was concerned, answering student
questions, helping them feel like a part of the team, and allaying their "state hospital patient" fears was just
a part of my job. One former student ended up being so intrigued by his rotation that he came back after
graduation as a new nurse.
- 5Oct 7, '12 by BlueDevil,DNPI don't work as a RN anymore, but when I did I hated even having students on the floor. I hated precepting even more. Please seperate that from the individuals themselves, who were probably lovely people, one and all. I just did not like my routine interrupted. I liked to do things the way I liked to do them, and I didn't like explaining anything, much less everything.
I didn't mind precepting new hires that had experience. I think being good at precepting and having a passion for it is a talent, much like playing an instrument. Any monkey can be taught to play a piece on an instrument, but few of us become virtuosos. To be that good, beyond technically proficient, you have to love it, deeply. It always strikes me as odd that it is comparatively easy to find clinical instructors as opposed to lecture faculty. I could lecture competently on almost any nursing subject with a week's notice. In 20 years, I was never more than a mediocre preceptor, even though I was an exceptional nurse. Reason being, I simply despised it.
And the thing is, what nursing students fail to understand, is that every bit of that is about me, and not one iota of it is about them/you. None. I couldn't care less about you (and I mean that in the nicest way possible, lol). So I'm not being mean, I'm just being, shall we say, focused. I simply don't want you around while I'm working. Let's have a drink some other time, shall we? I'll buy.
- 8Oct 8, '12 by Esme12, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorQuote from jamie32764Some people are just miserable.......OR.........try Walking a mile in their shoes.I'm in my 2nd semester of nursing school and have med/surg and OB clinicals this semester. I have to say I'm a bit bummed out (as are my classmates) by our clinical experience so far. In our OB clinical, the nurses seem somewhat receptive to having a student under them, but at the same time nobody seems to go out of their way to actually try to teach us anything. One night, sitting up in the nursery waiting for babies to be born, there were 5 nurses that stood there the entire time ******** amongst themselves about how there's not enough coverage....for 3 hours. When I say stood there, I mean literally. The other hospital where we have our med/surg clinical, the nurses don't just seem like they don't want to be bothered, they're downright rude and nasty......to the point of one nurse waving her finger in some of my classmates faces and telling them to "go somewhere else"! I understand that everyone is busy, but why do you have to be miserable too? I'd rather the nurse tell my instructor they don't want a student then to not get anything useful from my clinical experience. It's not a very good feeling when you get home after a long day!
Last semester our clinicals were at a nursing home. Of course the atmosphere wasn't that great but all the nurses were very nice and took time to show us everything they could even though they had 20+ patients.
Just thought I'd get some opinions from those who have been in the field for a while!
Perhaps they feel the same way.....maybe they are sick and tired of working short (AGAIN) and that the staffing has been cut AGAIN because there are students.....even though the students leave half way through the shift and more staff isn't called in.......
Maybe they are sick of being badgered and brow beat by the administration that their satisfaction surveys were poor again and that no raises will be given, AGAIN....... and that there is a nursing shortage and they (administration/management) is "looking" but everyone knows there is a hiring freeze the last 4 years.....they aren't "looking" for anyone.
Maybe they have a hard time managing their workload, the CNA has been canceled they got rid of the unit secretaries because they aren't needed anymore with physician order entry. Transport was downsized and they have students that they get NO compensation for but have to teach and increase the workload because the usual staff were canceled.
Your instructor has the responsibility to teach you AND they get paid for it.....the nurses however have another day of grind, being told to do more with less with a smile again....and be sure that the patient is treated like it is a 5 star resort....oh and by the way there are students today.
Maybe they were tired of being judged by a group of students who(for literally three hours)stared at the staff,......and through no fault of their own, have not a clue to what awaits them upon gradation...IF they can find a job in this saturated market.
Maybe they didn't like being stared at by a group of students that criticized their every move.
That may not have been easy, nor pleasant, to hear. I'm sorry......But, It is all a matter of perspective. As a student it is difficult to really see how difficult being a nurse really is.......I am not justifying their behavior.....but nurses are under enormous stress with the demands of administration being unrelenting and unrealistic. The stress to do more with less but make every patient feel there are the only one in the world is mind boggling.
Having 8 med/surg patients, with 3 ED admits waiting......no secretary and the aid was canceled because............ you have 6 enthusiastic 2nd semester students who are expecting to have an enriching, varied educational experience where they are given undivided attention to be lead (with a smile) and shown amazing things so that their clinical experience is fulfilling and worthy......can try the patience of JOB.
I LOVE students and I have the patience of JOB...but sometimes I need to encourage student to be slightly more reflective and empathetic to the staff for they (the student) truly do not know what it is like to be a nurse. In your enthusiasm starting out it can be difficult to see the harsh realities of bedside nursing.....although......... I agree, there are some nurses that are just that miserable.
Just try to remember that sometimes.........you collect the energy you project.
Good Luck on your journey.Last edit by Esme12 on Oct 8, '12
- 2Oct 8, '12 by gatoraims RNAs a student myself I have to say that,you not the nurse you are following has to make the best out of every situation.(not being snarky it took me a bit to learn this) I have been assigned to nurses that don't want to teach, I do not think it is always that they hate students. We all have bad days, some on the other hand are just not into teaching.
I have been lucky and for the most part have had great RN's. I however have found (not saying you do this but I have seen many students do this) that there are usually two types of students who complain about not having a good nurse. One is the one who always asks questions, sometimes the RN just needs to do their job without answering why why why. The other is the opposite, they do not ask or say a dang thing. The RN does not know how much you know, what skills you have been taught, ect... So they really do not know where to start to "teach" you.
I usually start the shift with an introduction. I ask them if I can listen to report. I personal hate when someone reads over my shoulder so I always ask first. I have never been told no. I do not ask questions during report. (yes I have seen students do this) If I am unsure about something I either look it up or ask the RN later, or hunt down my clinical instructor and ask her (I like this one better because she usually pushes me to think outside the box until I am able to figure it out myself). Then I go with the RN who is going home and the RN who is starting their shift and introduce myself to the pt. After that I high tail it to get the pts bed made, vitals done, and am care done. These steps save the RN so much time as well as the techs. Once that is out of the way I find the RN who is usually looking at charts to get to know the pt before they go into the room. I again ask if I can look with them. At this time they usually are very willing to answer questions. But you have to ask. I find the many students don't ask, they expect the RN to give them everything they need to know. I have found that doing this and giving the nurse time to edge into the work shift and showing her that I am not going to just sit around and bug her/him they for the most part are more willing to help.
*when the RN is showing you something and they are not doing it by the book don't say I learned it xyz way. If you really want to know why they are doing it the way they are ask nicely. Say oh I learned a different way is this way easier? faster? more productive? (some might still not like it but I am curious and want to know)
*show that you want to learn and that you are not just there because you have to be
*if you are able, look in the chart pretend it is just you as that pts nurse and try to figure out what needs to be done first and why, doing this will usually answer a few questions you would have to ask the nurse, plus it builds your critical thinking
*timing is everything, if your RN is running around and looks stressed, step out of the way, find something without asking her that will help her out. I have ( I know most nurses like to take vitals themselves before certain meds being passed.) run ahead and jotted down the pts vital signs and taped them to the chart. I told the nurse noon vitals are done ect. I will get trays, make sure water pitchers are full (if not NPO), gotten pts juice, gone in prior to the nurse and asked if they need anything. this way she is not running around getting them things. ( we know many pts treat the hospital staff like wait staff)
*if the nurse says during report pt Smith will need new IV tubing, I get the supplies the nurse will need and put it in the room for when she is ready. Now that I have been taught I ask if she would like to me do it for her. I wait until she is in the room passing meds ect. so that she knows I did it and did it correct and can tell me if I need to fix something (facility protocol is not always what our book is).
I know it sounds silly but I try to not be a pain in the butt. I try to avoid the nurses who I know do not like students or are having a bad day. I try to make their work shift easier. I however can be a pain in the butt I know it. But I do try hard to make their day easier.