Different pay and responsibility for 2 year RN's VS 4 year RN's - page 16

I'm completing an RN to BSN program in 2 months. I have learned so much in the BSN program I wish I had taken it sooner. The additional education has taught me skills I never learned in trainings,... Read More

  1. by   Q.
    Deb, I'm sorry you encountered that. The first thing I learned in college is that yes, we are treated like adults and if you miss class, your loss. Afterall, it's my money I'm paying.

    My only comment regarding learning things on your own is that, by checking out sometimes outdated library holdings, and reading it in isolation, you miss out on various other methods of learning that help you actually learn the material: such as visual aids, learning exercises, homework, and class discussion. Sure, I could read my nursing books that I have now by myself, but my learning is enhanced by discussing ideas with my fellow students and my instructor.
  2. by   nurs4kids
    I can't believe we're beating this horse carcus again...

    it's quiet simple to me..

    a Lexus costs more than a Corolla because you get more for your money..

    If a BSN nurse was of higher quality than an ASN or diploma nurse, then they too would be compensated for their quality..

    it just ain't so and hospitals know it.

    I'm doing an online RN-BSN program..
    and I have NO doubt that I'll be no better a nurse when I'm finished than I am today (other than the gained bedside experience in the time it takes me to complete my degree)..
    but for damn sure, I'll THINK I'm a better nurse..

    btw..this lowly ASN RN charges over BSN's..at their request..because THEY respect my knowledge AND management skill (that was taught in life, not from a book).

    It's easy for a BSN (or BSN-hope-to-be) to have an elitest attitude here online..hiding behind that computer screen..it all changes at the bedside when THEIR patient is crashing. Suddenly they turn and look at the calm, experienced nurse..not the degree. The letters on that paper do not save lives.

    and with that being said...
    do you guys REALLY think it's the diploma and ADN nurse holding your salary back??? You're patting your back to the wrong people..we could care less if you make more, the CEO's decide salary, not us. Personally, I DO think you deserve more...only because you sacrificed more in school...definitely not because you think you're a better nurse.
  3. by   l.rae
    Originally posted by nurseinstructor
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    (quote)
    "If I miss 15 minutes of class, my loss, but you don't treat adults that way"

    I realize that you felt you had a good reason to be late to class that day--and you did. But looking from the instructors point of view--students who show up late for class aren't just causing "their loss"--they disrupt the entire class while they find their seat, get out their books, ask where we are in lecture, etc. I find it terribly disrespectful to all the other students when people are chronically and continually late for class.
    I realize you are talking about a one time deal--but the instructor most likely has had to deal with tardiness over and over--and seeing as how it was the first day of class--I am sure she wanted to make her expectations known.

    sorry, but that is no excuse for treating anyone like that...if she can't show respect she doesnn't deserve to get any respect.....l would have done same as deb....but l probably would have addressed the instructor and let her know that her behavior was why l was withdrawing and made sure she knew l made my feelings known to her superior......just too dang much money to pay for humiliation...imo.
  4. by   fab4fan
    credit nurse-4-kids:
    and with that being said...
    do you guys REALLY think it's the diploma and ADN nurse holding your salary back??? You're patting your back to the wrong people..we could care less if you make more, the CEO's decide salary, not us. Personally, I DO think you deserve more...only because you sacrificed more in school...definitely not because you think you're a better nurse.


    The above speaks for itself...couldn't add a thing.
  5. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    originally posted by susy k
    deb, i'm sorry you encountered that. the first thing i learned in college is that yes, we are treated like adults and if you miss class, your loss. afterall, it's my money i'm paying.

    my only comment regarding learning things on your own is that, by checking out sometimes outdated library holdings, and reading it in isolation, you miss out on various other methods of learning that help you actually learn the material: such as visual aids, learning exercises, homework, and class discussion. sure, i could read my nursing books that i have now by myself, but my learning is enhanced by discussing ideas with my fellow students and my instructor.
    ...but all of the medical/nursing colleges/university libraries in the philly/south jersey area have books copyrighted up to 2003. i frequently go to my school's library in order to read the latest text for my transition's class because i simply don't have the money to purchase one. i just go to the circulation desk...after getting the number...& check it out for a couple of hours at a time. this book...in particular is copyrighted 2003...the previous editions are on the shelf (2000, 1996, & 1992)...& there really isn't that much of a difference between editions either.

    cheers!
    moe
  6. by   fab4fan
    Different people learn differently; while a classroom may enhance the learning experience for one person, another may find such a formal setting a hinderance. And with the internet, it's relatively easy to find someone that can offer assistance if needed.

    Truth be told, if I had the $$, I'd be a "professional student." Since I don't have unlimited resources, I have to settle for that which is most relevant.
  7. by   Stargazer
    Originally posted by fab4fan
    Truth be told, if I had the $$, I'd be a "professional student."
    Oh, man. Me too. Anybody handing out lifetime scholarships out there?
  8. by   mattsmom81
    Yeah, too bad so many of us have kids of our own to support. Grade school, high school and college kids..but .the nursing community seems to think we should spend all our $$$ in upgrading our nursing educational skills above and beyond...to THEIR expectations....<sigh>
  9. by   nursecheryl
    l rae, I'm sorry for the confusion. I was attempting to explain what made me react to other posts and used your post because it was worded better than I could have worded it myself. You never told me to stay out of your conversation and I didn't threaten you or anyone else for that matter. I was just warning another person in here not to use her picture because people can be very mean in the real world. cheryl
    Last edit by nursecheryl on Feb 15, '03
  10. by   Q.
    I was just warning another person in here not to use her picture because people can be very mean in the real world.
    Cheryl, there are quite a few of us with our pictures posted who speak our opinions here and are not "warned" by other posters. You're continued "warnings" don't seem to me to be made in an effort to help Nikki, but rather threaten her. I see absolutely no reason why a person can't identify themselves as wanting the BSN as the minimum requirement. And you're encouraging her to hide? Rather than continually "warning" her, how about encouraging people not to be so unprofessional and not take out their disagreements on her? To me that would be a helluva lot more useful.
  11. by   mattsmom81
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Susy K
    Mishl,
    General Ed requirements have nothing to do with the "all-mighty dollar." Tuition is the same, regardless on if you're required to take a course in lit or a course on Biblical studies.
    [/QUOTE


    Susy I certainly think it DOES have to do with the almighty dollar when colleges insist ADN's and Diploma nurses RETAKE them at their institution...and only because those credits were ' not affiliated with a BSN curriculum.'

    So many of us have taken these general ed credits through local JUCO's, universities, and CLEP at some point (I took mine at a local university through my diploma program as we were trying to become a BSN program) ...and IMHO is just plain ridiculous why we must redo them to get a BSN. It IS about power, control, and $$$, IMO.

    Gotta echo Deb's and a few others' sentiments: I'm not saying never to the BSN and I hope to see it as entry level in years to come, as a means of unification, but I will have to see TPTB a tad more respectful of me before I will ever finish it up. I'm just tired of the higher education $$ grabbing games.
  12. by   nurs4kids
    okay, i'm gonna lock this one..

    we're no longer debating the issue..haven't in a while...

    we've, once again, turned this thread into an "attack the attacker" thread..

    this is a topic that we will never all agree on and it digs deep into the hearts of many..

    we'd be much better off lobbying our opinions to our state boards..

    fighting here will do nothing but hurt feelings..


    rest, ole' dead horse..rest

close