'Borderline' students? - page 7

Ok, this is a vent. :( In school, we have to participate in a survey about predicted college success vs home support systems, class load, work hours, etc. This is to receive a grant, and those... Read More

  1. by   a_clay
    I totally agree with you!


    Quote from seekthenew
    Life is so horribly unfair at times! Yes, I struggled in school, but I DID MAKE IT, I think the main problem now days is people want everything to come easily. The lessons you remember best are those you learn the hard way.
    I don't mind helping someone who is just a few points below , but come on, not everyone is cut out to be a nurse. I agree that standards are there for a reason...to ensure that our future patients are cared for by competent nurses. I can totally relate to what delirium is saying.
  2. by   tookewlandy
    Quote from amyindallas
    I think you might be getting "empathy" and "sympathy" confused.
    No i don't think so. Sympathy can be when you feel sorrow for someone who is in distress over something. I would think that a nurse is sympathetic to their patients. I would be sympathetic if someone was failing, I definitely would not be thinking "HE/she should not be here". And i don't think that anyone should think that someone can't be a good nurse because of their low grade point average. If that were true wouldn't hospitals and other health care facilities that employ Nurses want them to bring their grade transcripts with them when applying or interviewing for the job
  3. by   chadash
    I have a question about nursing in general. Is it a field that any one who has the motivation can succeed at, or is a basic aptitude in certain areas essential?
  4. by   subee
    Quote from ortess1971
    My program is currently run on a "first-come, first-serve" waiting list basis. They are attempting to change this now because so many students are not prepared to do college level work. They are going back to an entrance exam for admission and you have to had passed Physiology with a B. Standards should be across the board in my opinion. And for the record, I work full time and get A's and B's.

    "First-come, first-serve" admission is depressing to read about. First, with the shortage instructors avaible, those who are working have to put up with students who haven't been "sifted" yet to separate the wheat from the chaff. I had hoped that one good thing that would come out of this instructor shortage would be better students. There are plenty of other vocations for people who are academically challenged. Wouldn't it be better to get them enrolled in a program suited for them then to keep trying to hammer the square peg in the round hole?
  5. by   Lisa CCU RN
    I cannot believe the snotty attitudes I've seen on this thread.
  6. by   Otessa
    Quote from Shamrock
    Hmmmm, I know some kick-*^% nurses that struggled
    somewhat in the academic setting. I also know some nurses that excelled in academics but don't know their right foot from their left hand. My thoughts are that I would not want to work with judgemental people.
    I believe I would have been categorized as a 'borderline' student way back when.(graduated with a BSN in 1992) I knew my stuff and kicked $#@ in clinicals and if there would have been orals with scenarios instead of written tests I would have been a straight "A" student as was evidenced by the essays I wrote on most of my tests.

    I did pass the 2-day written NCLEX-it was very scenario-driven. There were 3 of our straight "A" students who didn't pass the NCLEX the first time.

    Grades are NOT a 100% indicator of an excellent nurse.
  7. by   Otessa
    There should be minimum requirements for entrance into College to become a nurse. If you can maintain the minimum average and you aren't able to get beyond that and you are working your butt off I think you should be given a chance. "C" shouldn't be thought of as a bad letter......................
  8. by   ortess1971
    Quote from subee
    "First-come, first-serve" admission is depressing to read about. First, with the shortage instructors avaible, those who are working have to put up with students who haven't been "sifted" yet to separate the wheat from the chaff. I had hoped that one good thing that would come out of this instructor shortage would be better students. There are plenty of other vocations for people who are academically challenged. Wouldn't it be better to get them enrolled in a program suited for them then to keep trying to hammer the square peg in the round hole?
    My instructor and I were discussing this the other day... She stated that some people just do not have the aptitude to be nurses. Doesn't mean that they are inferior in some way, just means that this may not be the profession for them. And I'll probably get flamed for this, but she's right. This is a job where, if you goof up, you can kill someone. I do think that we all have our strengths and weaknesses and most of us will have difficuty with a concept or specific area in school. However, you have to be willing to work through it. No one should be coddled through the nursing program and we all should be held to the same standards. I'm all for using GPA and standardized testing to determine who gets a spot in clinicals-some students don't take it seriously. Why should they take up a spot that could go to a more qualified student? P.S. I don't think that feeling that standards are important makes one "snotty". I will be graduating soon and while there are students that get low grades that are excellent in clinical, they are the exception rather than the rule. I've been in the healthcare field for 10 years now and trust me , no one "gives you extra help" when you are out there in the trenches. It's sink or swim. Ultimately, all this hand holding and ambivalence about academics harms the nursing profession. It's only when nurses start to take pride in their scientific knowledge as well as the caring part of the profession that we'll get the pay and respect we all deserve. OK- I'll get down of the soapbox now...
    Last edit by ortess1971 on May 1, '06
  9. by   kukukajoo
    You have to understand that a 75 is average- completely average, not bad, not good. For anyone wanting to help average students be more than average and to excell, I applaud every attempt at this.

    Remember, one of our best presidents (kennedy) was a C average student and look at all he accomplished! Greatness can come out of averageness.
  10. by   Otessa
    I would venture to guess there are more people than you can imagine that were 'C' average(Kerry was one of them too) in business or even never attended college or flunked out of college................
    Last edit by rn/writer on May 2, '06
  11. by   a_clay
    I agree with you 100% and you probably will get flamed because I certianly did. But that's okay. Not everyone is going to agree on everything - and that's okay too. But seriously, I couldn't agree more about "some students don't take it seriously". I think if one wants to succeed that there are plenty of resources (like this site) that can help them out. And having a high GPA doesn't mean that you will be an awesome nurse, but it should demonstrate that you are willing to do what it takes, which CAN make you an awesome nurse.

    Quote from ortess1971
    My instructor and I were discussing this the other day... She stated that some people just do not have the aptitude to be nurses. Doesn't mean that they are inferior in some way, just means that this may not be the profession for them. And I'll probably get flamed for this, but she's right. This is a job where, if you goof up, you can kill someone. I do think that we all have our strengths and weaknesses and most of us will have difficuty with a concept or specific area in school. However, you have to be willing to work through it. No one should be coddled through the nursing program and we all should be held to the same standards. I'm all for using GPA and standardized testing to determine who gets a spot in clinicals-some students don't take it seriously. Why should they take up a spot that could go to a more qualified student?
  12. by   kukukajoo
    Bush is doing a better job than I ever could and I am a 4.0 student!!

    I will not comment on this further as I did not intend my post to make this thread political, I was merely pointing out that C students can achieve greatness and that it is totally average, a point many seem to forget.
  13. by   a_clay
    I'm sure you are right. That just popped into my head when I read what someone had wrote about former president Kennedy.

    Quote from Otessa
    I would venture to guess there are more people than you can imagine that were 'C' average(Kerry was one of them too) in business or even never attended college or flunked out of college................

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