Are For Profit Schools really BAD? - page 3
I am changing careers at the ripe old age of 40. I am working through my prerecs now but I honestly don't have years and years to work towards a) getting into a public school program, which in my... Read More
Aug 11For profit isn't all bad but should be proceeded with caution.
One, most are expensive-some to the point it would be crazy to go that route. Try to transfer in as many general ed from your community college.
Two, NCLEX pass rates. These are readily available online.
Three, accreditation. This is probably the most important, especially if you want to further your education later and some employers require it. The schools will throw you a bunch of alphabet soup. Look for ACEN or CCNE.
I got my LPN from a public vocational school. I did my pre-reqs at a community college. 15 years went by and the community college wanted me to retake my "A" science classes because they were over 5 years old. I transferred into an LPN to RN accredited for profit ADN program and paid about $20k total books and tuition. It's a lot, but it's what was most feasible for me.
Aug 11Quote from yourshoesareuntiedExactly right! When ITT Tech and MedTech imploded here in Indiana- they left in their wake hundreds of students who had tens of thousands in student loan debt and ZERO transferable credits. One of the other- more reputable- for profits (Harrison) absorbed a fraction of those students and put a teach out plan together. (Which is admirable) But the rest of those students are saddled with debt and no degree.My mother is a college professor that has taught in various universities in their nursing program, normally BSN to MSN. She is also a hospital administrator that has many years of recruiting experience. She advised me the same way she advises many of her employees, that is to avoid for profit schools if possible. There is a thing going on with many of them right now and they are abruptly closing, and leaving students hanging. It has something to do with how the federal government allocates GI bills and government backed student loans. Basically many of the for profit schools have been cut off, has something to do with a review of unpaid student loans, success ratios of students that complete their degree and then something about the amount of money veterans are billed through their GI. The advice I was given has nothing to do with the quality of the program or how employers respond to graduates from those schools, just to know what you are getting into. Do a google search for non profit schools closing and there is something interesting going on with university of phoenix their enrolment levels are tanking, I believe because of the change of the funding listed above.
Thus the general disdain of for profits. NOT ALL of them are such sleazeballs, but ugh! the ones that are....
Aug 11I applied and was accepted into my Nursing program when I made my first application. I was accepted to 2 programs, a diploma RN and my LPN program. I chose the LPN program because I earned a scholarship that covered 100% of everything, which I do not regret.
You CAN make yourself *more* easily acceptable by making good grades and performing well on entrance exams. I had a 4.0 and over 90 on my TEAS, 28 ACT. You have the power to do this, it just takes drive and a lot of studying.
You should want to take pre req's before applying, as an FYI, because some alone can be 12-16 credit hours. If you have to add an ART class or Science, it would be that much more time taken away from core Nursing.
My two cents is that Nursing is not worth going into "medical school" amounts of debt..
Aug 12At the expensive for-profit I went to, they emphasized strategies to get loans forgiven after graduation. They did not mention that most of these programs did not apply to SallieMae loans, which are considered private loans.
I did not like my school but needed to get started right away. I graduated, passed the NCLEX with less than 80 questions, and am now a working RN. I do wish I had a better nursing education but have been continuing my self study on an as-needed basis.
Aug 12Can you complete the pre-reqs at the community college to save money and then go to the DCN program for the nursing courses? Here in PA, there are some sign on bonuses right now. It helps the new grads a little for some with their debt. I do not know about the Denver area.
My friend's daughter finished all pre-reqs for ADN in FL. She did not get into the local community college. She kept taking gen eds. She had them all done for the BSN, but since she got mostly B's and C's, she still could not get in. Finally, she went to trade school for LPN and did the bridge program at the CC. She just finished her BSN a month or so ago.
The waiting lists are crazy. I was a top student thirty years ago. I was lucky to be right out of high school. I went to school with others who struggled for grades, but are excellent nurses. This waiting list for schools is ridiculous.
Our local community college in central PA had a point system where an A in their courses were worth the most "points" for admission. You could get an A in micro, for example from Pitt or U of Penn, but it only had the point value of a C at this community college. They had people retaking courses at the community college to get better grades while they languished on the list. This is so wrong and such a waste ofmoney at a time when education is so expensive!
Aug 14Quote from beachmedicI know a few people who go to WGU. I read where if you plan to go on for higher education that all of the classes are given a "C" because they are pass/fail and not given a grade. Have wondered how this affects students who want to continue on to their masters or more.I actually did a Paramedic to RN program in Virginia, which got me my AD
in Nursing from a community college . Now I'm in an RN-BSN program at a public university. A lot of my friends recommend WGU to get your BSN, when you are ready. I'm agreeing with the majority of posters-avoid the "for=profit" schools for your AD, unless its your last resort.
Aug 14Quote from Steffy44This is only partially accurate. It is a pass/fail system, but passed courses equate to a 3.0 on the transcript. Not a C. Many of us have gone on to get MSN, FNP and other advanced degrees. WGU is very reputable and is accredited.I know a few people who go to WGU. I read where if you plan to go on for higher education that all of the classes are given a "C" because they are pass/fail and not given a grade. Have wondered how this affects students who want to continue on to their masters or more.
Aug 15Employers don't care where you got your degree, they just care that you passed NCLEX and your license is valid. Not all for profit schools are bad, but they are all expensive. But then so are some universities. I finished my ADN for less money at a community college than it would have cost me for only one year tuition at our local 4 year college.
If you decide to go the for profit route as a time saver only do it you can afford it. Also check the schools NCLEX pass rates no matter where you decide to go. If you can find it also look at the pass for the program. That's information that is easily found and it's a pretty fair indicator of the overall quality of the course.
Aug 15Only the cost of tutition is bad. The "for profit" colleges in my area has a great academic structure and superb reputation.
Aug 15Quote from dienwA program that I considered had an excellent reputation as to quality of education, but what I didn't hear at first was that each and every class had a minimum of a 50% attrition rate. I spoke to people associated with former students. Their description of the environment said it all for me. I just did not care to be part of the wrong 50%. And I wanted to avoid "strong" personalities with little to no interest in my personal success, so I rejected the better program in my area.NCLEX pass rates are a poor way to evaluate a school. The NCLEX pass rate only tells you what percentage of their graduates pass the NCLEX. What you really need to know is what percentage of the people who originally enroll pass the NCLEX. Attrition rates in for-profit schools are generally high. If 95% pass the NCLEX but only 75% of the students who start actually graduate, that's not very good. Many schools, both for-profit and taxpayer funded schools give exit exams to manipulate the pass rate percentages. If you don't do well on the exit exam, you aren't allowed to graduate. This prevents weaker students from taking the NCLEX.
The other thing you want to know is how many students graduate on time, not just graduate. The accrediting agencies consider on-time graduation to be 150% of the scheduled program duration. If you take 6 semesters to complete a 4 semester program, technically you are considered an on time graduate.
Aug 15The tuition is going to be higher, and there is the possibility that your classes won't transfer if you're getting your ADN, or if you're getting your BSN and plan to pursue a MSN. Apply to all local colleges in your area. There is no easy way into nursing, but you can definitely do it for less money.
Try a spreadsheet. Figure out how much money it will take to pay off a student loan from the for-profit college vs. the non-profit college. Is it more affordable to wait a year. If the answer is yes, then you do just that. I'm sure your real estate license is still active, and to be honest, you'll probably make more money in that field than in nursing. Think long and hard about what you're about to do.