Flu Vaccine, enough already! - page 9

Yes, we are in flu season. And it seems you can't go anywhere without being bombarded/enticed to get the flu vaccine. A lot of times scare tactics are used also. They tried making it mandatory for nurses last season but that... Read More

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    Quote from klone
    Both hospitals I have worked for this flu season make it a requirement of employment. You don't get the shot, you face discipline, up to and including termination.
    IMHO what we need is a law prohibiting employers from requiring any foriegn substance from being injected or otherwise introduced into an employee's body.

    Along the same line it should be illegal for employers to ask if you smoke or test for nicotine for the purpose of weeding out a person from potential hire.

    It is a sad state of affairs when a legal activity prohibits one from hire. We are losing our freedom folks. Where will the insanity end?

    I don't smoke BTW.
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    Quote from Stcroix
    Sure, everyone has the right to decide for themselves. Then there are the rights of the patients to be protected from infection while they are in a very vulnerable state of health. Have you folks read about the concept of 'herd immunity'? In overly simplified terms it states that the fewer total individuals in a herd are infected, the less chance exists for the rest of the herd to become diseased. Vaccination increases the herd immunity. So when I and others get the inoculation it protects YOU from the flu. This has been an accepted concept for decades. The risks for negative impacts from the flu vaccine are negligible, so what's all the fuss? http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/flushot.htm
    Perhaps it's just about personal freedom
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    Quote from jimthorp
    Perhaps it's just about personal freedom
    You don't have the freedom to shout, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater in which there is no fire. You don't have the freedom to put others at risk for potentially deadly illnesses, either.
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    Quote from SuesquatchRN
    The exercise of one's constitutional rights ends when such exercise encroaches upon others' well-being.

    Please elaborate as to exactly what you are saying here?

    Incidently, there is no such thing as constitutional rights. The USC BOR does not grant you rights.
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    Quote from jimthorp
    Please elaborate as to exactly what you are saying here?
    It's very clear. You don't get to walk around as a petri dish of disease because you're an American. That affects others' well-being.
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    Quote from MyUserName,RN
    I'm calling B.S. on this. The vaccine MAY be protecting patients, but you don't know until the season begins and we see which true strain is out and which one you were vaccinated against. Being that you can and probably will still be susceptable to catching the flu because they don't always get the vaccine right and sometimes there's more than one strain out, you and your patients are still at risk. Like I said before, since you don't know if you were vaccinated correctly or not, the best thing you can do for your patients is wear a mask at all times during flu season because even though you've been vaccinated you are still putting your patients at risk because the vaccine may not have done it's intended job. Let's see if you all do that....being you care so much about spreading flu to your patients and all.
    You're welcome to call my opinion B.S. all you want, you're entitled to your own opinion too.. I disagree with you. You're basically saying, "don't bring your rain coat and boots with you, it's just a prediction there are going to be downpours this afternoon, we don't really know for sure"... what's wrong with better safe than sorry?

    I'm a little confused that people who are so anti-modern preventative medicine ended up working in the medical field.
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    Quote from SuesquatchRN
    You don't have the freedom to shout, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater in which there is no fire.
    I most certainly do have that freedom. Please show me the law to the contrary.

    Quote from SuesquatchRN
    You don't have the freedom to put others at risk for potentially deadly illnesses, either

    Again, please point me to this law.
    Last edit by jimthorp on Dec 12, '11
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    Quote from SuesquatchRN
    It's very clear. You don't get to walk around as a petri dish of disease because you're an American. That affects others' well-being.
    Please cite me the law that says I cannot walk around "as a petri dish of disease"?

    Do you realize how many "bugs" you carry on your skin everywhere you go? Isn't everyone a "petri dish of disease"?
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    Quote from llg
    We all still have a choice as to whether or not to get the flu vaccine ...

    And employers still have a choice as to who they hire. They are free not to hire people who don't get the vaccine. And they are free not to allow students who don't get the vaccine to come into their facility for clinicals.

    The choice is still there. Some people just don't like the fact that facilities also have the freedom to choose.
    Exactly!!! This is why these discussions frustrate me. You get the inevitable "I'm a American, darn it! No one is going to tell me what to put in my body! I have RIGHTS!!!" Yes, sir or m'am. You have rights. You have the right to choose a career other than healthcare. You have the right to work at any of the number of venues that does not require a flu shot. But being a nurse is not a right. Being employeed at a particular hospital is not a right. And that hospital has the right to protect it's patients by making a vaccine a condition of employment. No one's rights are being interfered with.

    Until someone is holding you down and forcing the flu shot into your arm, stop talking to me about how your rights are being violated by an employer requiring a flu shot as a condition of employment! (or Hep B, or MMR, or TB test for that matter, but no one complains about those)
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    Quote from jimthorp
    I most certainly do have that freedom. Please show me the law to the contrary.




    Again, please point me to this law.

    It's called "precedent." Something like this case would be used.

    http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/vaccines/cude.htm
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