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Flu Vaccine, enough already! - page 9

Yes, we are in flu season. And it seems you can't go anywhere without being bombarded/enticed to get the flu vaccine. A lot of times scare tactics are used also. They tried making it mandatory for... Read More

  1. Visit  brillohead profile page
    Quote from jimthorp
    wearing ppe and getting a foriegn substance injected into your body are two very different things. how is that not plainly obvious?
    both reduce the chances of the hospital being held liable for personal injury. how is it not the same?

    (note that i said "reduce" not "eliminate" -- there are no guarantees in life.... or death)


    and as purple_scrubs said later on in the thread:

    Quote from purple_scrubs
    there is no vaccine that is 100%, and the scientists who develop the flu shot do a little more than guess. that is like declining a potentially life-saving treatment because it might not work. risk versus benefit. my point is that hospitals have the right to make it a condition of employment. either roll up your sleeves or find employment elsewhere. no one's rights are being violated.
  2. Visit  MyUserName,RN profile page
    Quote from mjmoon
    I believe compulsive hand washing will be adequate.. as you know covering your mouth when you sneeze or cough and washing your hands regularly can cut down infection quite well. Further, if flu season is that bad, sure I'll wear a mask. I don't consider the flu shot 'beloved'.. that's just silly. It's a tool to help prevent the spread of disease as well as help prevent you from contracting it. I got it for the first time a few weeks ago.. as required by my school. If I don't get it, I don't get to go to school. My choice was a no-brainer. I suspect for most people being required for work is a no-brainer too.
    The first time I ever got the flu shot was because I had to for school. I got the flu anyways that year. I'm thankful that my hospital, so far, doesnt force the vaccine on employees. I did not get it this year. Oh and if compulsive habdwashing was all you needed to do to keep from spreading or contracting flu to or from pts, why does anyone wear a mask? Flu is airborne hunny.
  3. Visit  ~Mi Vida Loca~RN profile page
    Quote from nerdtonurse?
    I think Do-over has an excellent point. Mass vaccinations work at reducing disease because it reduces the number of potential hosts -- Measles can't get going if there's greater than a certain percentage of immune potential hosts (78% is coming to mind for some reason). Immunizations against things like polio, or smallpox, or measles work because there's not a big enough reservoir to keep the infection breeding. Polio is spread fecal to oral -- think about all the e.coli outbreaks, the listeria outbreaks --- those kill people as well, but when you see e. coli, that could just as easily be polio, if people stop vaccinating their kids.

    I think we really have forgotten the horror of what happens when a new bacteria hits a population with no inborn immunity. But not to worry. Eventually, some bacteria or virus out there will mutate, drift or shift to the point where we will all once again learn this. The hard way.

    The one lesson of history is...nobody learns from history.
    I have been reading up a lot on Polio and the Iron Lung. So thankful for that vaccine!!!!
  4. Visit  psu_213 profile page
    Quote from Horseshoe
    I have never advocated mandatory flu vaccines, so my question has nothing to do with that.

    Do you consider all vaccines to be "poison?"
    All medicines have negative side effect. All have deletirous effects if you take too many of any one of them (in most cases, this is death). All drugs are poisons. A certain amoung will not harm most people, but another amount will kill most people...
  5. Visit  psu_213 profile page
    Quote from jimthorp
    I most certainly do have that freedom. Please show me the law to the contrary.
    You most cetainly do NOT have the right to yell Fire in a crowded theatre. You do NOT have the right to say that you want someone to commit an act of violence against another. You do NOT have the right to protest whenever and where ever you want (for example, abortion clinics...no, I am not saying you would anyway). The First Amemdment is not open license to say anything you want whenever you want. That has been consistenly decided by the Supreme Court.
  6. Visit  psu_213 profile page
    A lot of people on here have said that they have the right to refuse a flu shot because no one can tell that what to put into their body. Yet, facilities continue to mandate that all their employees get the flu shot or risk various forms of punishment. If this practice was someone a violation of fundamental rights, at this point would someone have not made a successful argument that the facility was wrong (Consitutionally or otherwise) in mandating the shot? In other words, it seems to me that there is not a right to refuse the flu shot (or similar protection...mask for example).

    And please don't say "I can refuse because this is a free country." While we have many freedoms, there are restrictions on basically all those freedoms, so, a blanket idiom lik "free country" means nothing (sorry for the mini rant...).
  7. Visit  Anne36 profile page
    psu, You say, " If this practice was someone a violation of fundamental rights, at this point would someone have not made a successful argument that the facility was wrong (Consitutionally or otherwise) in mandating the shot?" Are you kidding me? You dont think that injustice is done everyday in this country? How in the heck do you think that LEO were able to unlawfully confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens during Hurricane Katrina?

    Can you just hear someone making the same exact arguement you just made back in 1860 to justify slavery? It's okay because a Judge has not overturned the practise in a court of law?

    I wonder how long it will be before the patients are forced to get the flu shot to be admitted for care in the hospital because they might endanger other patients? Hmm.........
  8. Visit  Horseshoe profile page
    Quote from psu_213
    In other words, it seems to me that there is not a right to refuse the flu shot (or similar protection...mask for example).
    Of course there is a right to refuse. No facility will ever give a flu shot in the face of that refusal. But in the face of that refusal, there may be consequences. Unlike the right to refuse medical interventions, no one has a right to work at a certain facility.
  9. Visit  psu_213 profile page
    Quote from Anne36
    psu, You say, " If this practice was someone a violation of fundamental rights, at this point would someone have not made a successful argument that the facility was wrong (Consitutionally or otherwise) in mandating the shot?" Are you kidding me? You dont think that injustice is done everyday in this country? How in the heck do you think that LEO were able to unlawfully confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens during Hurricane Katrina?

    Can you just hear someone making the same exact arguement you just made back in 1860 to justify slavery? It's okay because a Judge has not overturned the practise in a court of law?

    I wonder how long it will be before the patients are forced to get the flu shot to be admitted for care in the hospital because they might endanger other patients? Hmm.........
    You're twisting my words here. I was saying that my guess is someone has tried to fight the 'mandatory' flu shot policies in the past, but they have been unsucessful. This does not mean that mandatory vaccination is morally right (infact, my original post was totally neutral on the morality of the issue, but you chose to ignore that to go for the shock value); I was just saying it is legally justified at this point--maybe someday that will change.

    Secondly, how can you possible compare mandatory flu vaccines to slavery or other social injustices? I suppose they both have the same underlying principle (forcing someone to do something against their will), but there is absolutely no way that you can take a statement on the flu shot and somehow say this is similar to advocating violations of basic human rights.
  10. Visit  psu_213 profile page
    Quote from Horseshoe
    Of course there is a right to refuse. No facility will ever give a flu shot in the face of that refusal. But in the face of that refusal, there may be consequences. Unlike the right to refuse medical interventions, no one has a right to work at a certain facility.
    I should have been more clear...their is not a right to refuse while not facing repercussions.
  11. Visit  notpuurfctbtgdenghns profile page
    Quote from Bklyn_RN
    Yes, we are in flu season. And it seems you can't go anywhere without being bombarded/enticed to get the flu vaccine. A lot of times scare tactics are used also. They tried making it mandatory for nurses last season but that failed, thank goodness. Then a friend went to a job interview, and a condition of employment was that she had to get the flu vaccine even though she did not want it.
    Yet recently, a healthcare employer (I have declined to identify) went as far as to offer employees who get the flu vaccine (at work), entry into a raffle for a hot electronic gadget. I just think its too much. People already know about the flu vaccine and have made an educated decision about whether they want it or not. Flu vaccines have become extremely commercialized, which leads me to conclude that a financial windfall is being made somewhere. Just sayin...
    The CDC recommendation to fight against flu is for us to get flu vaccine every year. We are nurses, it is only natural that we and our loved ones need to be vaccinated with flu injection. We should not be against this measure unless we develop live threatening reaction to the shot.
  12. Visit  notpuurfctbtgdenghns profile page
    Dec 12, '11 by Nurse Nessa Wooer Dec 12, '11 by Nurse Nessa I've been a member since May '06. I'm from 'Minneapolis, Minnesota'. I have Since 2006 year(s) of nursing experience and I specialize in 'Hemodialysis'.
    Age: 31
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    I haven't finished reading all posts yet, but I just wanted to say one thing...We are nurses because we want to take care of and protect our patients, if we do not get vaccinated we put them at risk. I didn't become a nurse to put my patients at risk...did you?




    This post sounds it is coming from someone caring--caring for her/his patients. Also for those who oppose flu vaccine, flu is not like a cold; it could come rather suddenly. So if you happen to visit your loved ones over night, on Holiday season, and suddenly you have a run and you throw-up at the same time you become your relative's patient. And .....if your loved one does not get flu from you, you are so lucky. If your relative finds out you visited her/him and you had not had flu vaccine, he/she can say "Do not ever come and visit again, unless you are willing to get flu injection!"

    For those who are against or not convinced about taking flu vaccine please go to CDC website on this subject.
  13. Visit  jimthorp profile page
    Quote from notpuurfctbtgdenghns
    Dec 12, '11 by Nurse Nessa Wooer Dec 12, '11 by Nurse Nessa I've been a member since May '06. I'm from 'Minneapolis, Minnesota'. I have Since 2006 year(s) of nursing experience and I specialize in 'Hemodialysis'.
    Age: 31
    Awards:

    I haven't finished reading all posts yet, but I just wanted to say one thing...We are nurses because we want to take care of and protect our patients, if we do not get vaccinated we put them at risk. I didn't become a nurse to put my patients at risk...did you?
    You can still pass on the flu even if you are vaccinated.

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