Your worst nightmare

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I was tempted to call this story the 'no name story' so as to avoid being accused of misleading or creating 'click-bait.' But this time, I actually think what I'm about to tell you, has to be your worst nightmare. I also hope to give plenty of detail, so you get a clear picture.

It happened to a good friend, in the same A&E department, in a poor part of east London.

The hospital was in a poor neighborhood, and 2/3 of the patients first language was anything but English, many people were on government support, and the neighborhood was not the safest in daylight, let alone night time.

Regardless, myself and many fellow kiwis and aussies worked there as agency/temp nurses, especially night shifts, due to the regular work, as well as the large number of fellow antipodeans. On any given shift, half the staff were agency.

I'd spent 6 months working there, with a good friend Amber (not her real name) who was a very skilled, hard working nurse. She was manning the acute assessment unit - this unit ordered bloods/ecg's etc, so by the time a patient got to the doctor, they had something to work with.

So a 50yr old African man walks in with chest pain, and is sent to Amber. The pain is only on movement, no SOB, good colour, not cold/clammy/sweaty, in fact looks well. His ECG is normal, and he is in no pain when lying on the bed. The pain is left and right sided, and only returns when he moves ie got up from the bed.

It turns out he'd begun a weight training program the day before, and he'd been doing bench presses. His CK was a little elevated, but his tropinin normal (I can't remember which specific one, and I know they've got more accurate testing these days) but as the pain had begun the morning after the workout, and it was now evening, everything seemed ok.

The patient was a non-smoker, and had no previous medical hx of note.

Amber felt it unlikely to be cardiac, but of course ran the results and history past the doctor. The doctor signed the ECG to say he'd reviewed it, put a time and date, and said he could be a category 3 (which meant about a 2hr wait).

Anyway, the patient and his wife don't feel like waiting, especially as all the tests seem fine, and they ask Amber if he's okay to leave. She tell them they still need to see the doctor, as it's not her call to make.

The family wait 2hrs, only for the department to be swamped with some nasty traumas, and the doctor wouldn't be seeing them anytime soon. Amber kept checking on him, and he'd had no further pain (unless he stretched or moved a lot) and felt fine, and they decided to leave. They didn't sign a self-discharge form.

The next night, Amber and I are in resus when an ambulance blue lights in a patient, and Amber finds herself doing compressions on the man from the previous night.

'You said it wasn't his heart' screamed his wife at Amber, (which she hadn't, but you can understand the grief) while Amber had tears streaming down her face.

The man dies.

As an agency nurse, Amber didn't get support from management, so we discussed what to do. She decided to photocopy her notes, as well the ECG from the previous night.

She's called into a meeting with management the following day, and I go as her support person, and we're sitting in an office, and we hear the head doctor approaching with a bunch of big-wigs from the hospital, and we clearly hear him say 'she's done for, she messed up.'

Amber confronts him on this, and he doesn't have a reply, but they accuse her of not doing her job, and say the man did not get an ECG. We all go through the notes together and the ECG is missing. She tells them she did do one, and the doctor signed it, and gave his name, but they don't believe her.

'Well it's just as well I have a copy then don't I' she says, producing the copy of the ECG.

This action saved her. Saved her career, and saved her from a witch hunt.

She eventually was cleared of any wrong doing, although management were never confronted about the missing ECG, which would have helped them find someone to blame.

Anyway, that's one of the agency experiences that has taught me not to trust anyone.

Probably, here in the U.S. We've had a lot of highly publicized student athlete cardiac deaths.

Probably, here in the U.S. We've had a lot of highly publicized student athlete cardiac deaths.

It's vey interesting. For the faint with the police officer on the 16yr old boy, once he converted, he was sent home. Common sense and experience in that unit tells me he would have been told to follow-up with his GP (family doctor) and that's it. Then it's up to the kid to do that. Not sure if that's what would have happened over there.

As for faints, at school, we average about 1-2/week, although sometimes it seems to be fashionable, and the girls start fainting like it's going out of fashion.

Anyway, after a very extensive history, they rarely get referred to a doctor, although a quick note to parents is sent, in case they would like something more.

When we do follow-up, it's done with the local doctor, and if all is normal, goes no further.

Huh. The school nurses probably know more about it than I do, but I would think that if a faint is serious enough to be sent out to the hospital, then an ECG would be standard. As far as what would happen if they fainted in school, I don't know. I assume that it's the same as you've said, with an extensive history and full assessment, and if asymptomatic, then a note for follow-up. But, honestly, when I was in high school, any time an athlete fainted, female or not, they were sent out for a work up and the girls got a pregnancy test. But I lived in a pretty litigious, low-income, high teen pregnancy rate area that was filled with overreactive parents.

Any school nurses want to chime in?

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

My daughter fainted at school 3 different times. Sent to the hospital and had an ECG immediately every time.

My daughter fainted at school 3 different times. Sent to the hospital and had an ECG immediately every time.

I think this shows the huge difference in environment, culture, and expectations. At school, I'm usually called out to a faint, and by the time I get there, they are fine, although I have had some faint in my presence, which is interesting, as I've literally had girls hit the ground faster than the speed of gravity. It's strange, but when you've seen plenty of faints, you get to spot the fakes, and it's quite fun assessing the fakes.

When they stay 'unconscious' but it's pretty suspect, I tell them clearly, 'I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to administer some pain. Can someone please get me a needle?' Of course I never do this, but it's amazing how quickly their eyes start to flutter and they're suddenly awake. Or the kids that keep their eyes shut, resisting your attempt to open them.

Of course, on another note, there's the girls that come into the clinic saying they've been up all night vomiting, but I've developed the positive make-up test. So if a girl presents saying she's been up all night vomiting, but looks fantastic, with bright eyes, and perfect make-up, she has a +ve PMU and I'm less likely to believe her. Sadly, this job has turned me into a detective, but it's necessary, because during a winter's day, I may see 50 kids trying to get off activity, and while 40 of them are simply trying to pull a fast one, 9 of them with be genuinely, while 1 of them could be more seriously sick and need referral to a doctor. It's this 1 out of the 50 you're worried about missing. So everyone gets a decent check-up, obs, lungs listened to, throat checked, lymph nodes checked, temp, and a decent history.

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

I was surprised the first time they did it. By the time I got to the hospital it was done. After that I just figured it was routine.

I was surprised the first time they did it. By the time I got to the hospital it was done. After that I just figured it was routine.

I'm curious what the diagnosis was - a simple 'vaso-vagal' or something more. 3 times certainly needs to be checked up more thoroughly. What was she doing at the time? Did she lose consciousness every time? Can she remember events? Was there a witness? The list of questions is quite extensive that needs to be asked to give you some basic idea of what could be the problem.

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

It always happened in class. They never really found a cause. They suspected it was a vaso vagal. She's 23 and she's fine now.

Specializes in Oncology.
Just a question for the general community - would a teenager with a faint automatically get an ECG?

Again, what country was this in? The 16 year old getting pulled over?

Again, what country was this in? The 16 year old getting pulled over?

Oh, that one was actually in New Zealand. The kid came round, and said he was fine, but the officer insisted he get checked out, so he came to us looking fine. The hospital had a policy of all adults entering A&E other than minors, had an ECG - although there was an age limit, but I think it was something like 30 or so. It was part of the baseline obs. But I thought - this kid looks adult size, I'll do one anyway, and sure enough he was in AF, but not at a crazy pace, which was interesting. You see, you can drive at 16, but you need an adult with a full licence over 25yrs (it used to be that way, but probably changed) and like many teenagers, he was pulled over with his friends, and not an adult with a full licence, so hence the fear factor.

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

Not in his fantasy land....

Isn't keeping copies of such things on your person considered a breach of HIPAA?

That whole story reminds me of a test question where they throw the "just started weight training" in the mix to throw you off. The right answer would be something about putting the pt on O2 and starting tele and the wrong answer they were trying to trick you with would be something like offering the patient percocets for muscle pain.

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