Yes, I'm Vaxxed But...

[grammieRN]

I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -

1. Right patient
2. Right medication
3. Right dose
4. Right route
5. Right time
6. Right documentation
7. Right situation
8. Right place
9. RIGHT TO REFUSE. 

I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.

And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights. 

Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right  to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT. 

[toomuchbaloney]

52 minutes ago, drivesbarefoot said:

I had the covid vaccine and am not anti-vax.  But the healthcare staff I know of who have chosen, at this time, not to get the vaccination have made their choice based mostly on the fact the manufacturing drug companies of the vaccine and the hospital have no liability if injured by the vaccine.  They feel it’s just too new.  Other mandated vaccines have been around a long time with short term and long term adverse reactions well known.  Others had a bad experience with vaccine #1 aside from the usual common reactions and afraid to get #2, one example is Bell’s palsy after the 1st vaccine, and another person had Guillain-Barré after a flu vaccine so she feels she’s sensitive to another potential autoimmune reaction.  Either may have happened anyway for some other reason, but they are afraid and I totally emphasize with them.  Now being mandated, it doesn’t seem right to force people to get a vaccine they have made the decision not to receive at this time.   For me this isn’t about the vaccine so much as it is about how this is opening the door for many other mandates down the road.  That’s what scares me the most.  

Baloney

Looking for excuses to be afraid. 

[ComeTogether, LPN]

You have the right to refuse.  Thats a right. 

You don't have the right to work wherever you like without rules.  Thats not a right. 

[grammieRN, ADN, RN]

On 9/4/2021 at 9:50 PM, FolksBtrippin said:

Hi Grammie;

I do remember you.

Do mandates to get the covid vaccine bother you more than mandates to get the flu shot or any other shot?

I'm not in favor of mandates of any kind. 

I do what I have to do to protect myself and others but I also allow others to make their own choices. I have family members and friends who are anti-vax all the way and I have others in my life who happily vaccinate. 

[Guest219794]

2 hours ago, grammieRN said:

I'm not in favor of mandates of any kind. 

I do what I have to do to protect myself and others but I also allow others to make their own choices. I have family members and friends who are anti-vax all the way and I have others in my life who happily vaccinate. 

Would you like MMR mandates for schools rescinded?

And, you really didn't answer the crux of the question.  We have always been mandated to have vaccines, but there has never been a massive politically motivated movement to prevent vaccinations as now.

To get where you are, you have multiple mandated vaccines.

[Guest219794]

22 hours ago, drivesbarefoot said:

the healthcare staff I know of who have chosen, at this time, not to get the vaccination have made their choice based mostly on the fact the manufacturing drug companies of the vaccine and the hospital have no liability if injured by the vaccine.

Do you believe this?

Do you actually believe that if the employer provided a provision that a vaccine injury would be covered by worker's comp, these folks would be lining up?

Oddly all those who wouldn't get it because it was not FDA approved did not line up for it once the inevitable approval came through.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

17 minutes ago, hherrn said:

Oddly all those who wouldn't get it because it was not FDA approved did not line up for it once the inevitable approval came through.

Because of course it was always a strawman argument.

[techitalia, EMT-B]

The 9 Rights of Medication.. I remember when it was the 6 Rights, only 7 years ago. 

[grammieRN, ADN, RN]

7 hours ago, hherrn said:

Would you like MMR mandates for schools rescinded?

And, you really didn't answer the crux of the question.  We have always been mandated to have vaccines, but there has never been a massive politically motivated movement to prevent vaccinations as now.

To get where you are, you have multiple mandated vaccines.

Most mandated vaccines have had YEARS of research to the efficacy, the side/adverse effects, contraindications and such. The flu vaccine may be required, but you won't lose your career if you choose not to receive it. We are able to use masks during our flu season. 

So the "crux" of the question is ?????   The need for proof of certain vaccines prior to entering the nursing field? Knowing that certain vaccines were required on order to pursue a nursing career??  Yes...I'm well aware of those requirements. I, too, had to show proof. If I remember correctly,  it was only MMR and maybe Tdap that were required. Other vaccines were optional. 

Look...I'm not saying don't vaccinate, or make it a requirement for healthcare workers,  I'm asking the questions we all should be asking about long term EFFICACY and possible serious long term negative health effects from the vaccine. I've had 2 employees test positive in the last week. Both vaccinated. One with symptoms and one without. Are the tests we continue to use the correct test for the new "variants"?  If needing a booster every 90 days is required, how effective are the current vaccines?  Still too much grey area to make mandations.  

[toomuchbaloney]

10 minutes ago, grammieRN said:

Most mandated vaccines have had YEARS of research to the efficacy, the side/adverse effects, contraindications and such. The flu vaccine may be required, but you won't lose your career if you choose not to receive it. We are able to use masks during our flu season. 

So the "crux" of the question is ?????   The need for proof of certain vaccines prior to entering the nursing field? Knowing that certain vaccines were required on order to pursue a nursing career??  Yes...I'm well aware of those requirements. I, too, had to show proof. If I remember correctly,  it was only MMR and maybe Tdap that were required. Other vaccines were optional. 

Look...I'm not saying don't vaccinate, or make it a requirement for healthcare workers,  I'm asking the questions we all should be asking about long term EFFICACY and possible serious long term negative health effects from the vaccine. I've had 2 employees test positive in the last week. Both vaccinated. One with symptoms and one without. Are the tests we continue to use the correct test for the new "variants"?  If needing a booster every 90 days is required, how effective are the current vaccines?  Still too much grey area to make mandations.  

The grey areas are contrived. 

[Guest219794]

6 hours ago, handydandy said:

The 9 Rights of Medication.. I remember when it was the 6 Rights, only 7 years ago. 

Inflation.  It will be 12 rights soon.  Right to choose name brand vs generic, right policy double checked.....

[Guest219794]

2 hours ago, grammieRN said:

Most mandated vaccines have had YEARS of research to the efficacy, the side/adverse effects, contraindications and such. The flu vaccine may be required, but you won't lose your career if you choose not to receive it. We are able to use masks during our flu season. 

So the "crux" of the question is ?????   The need for proof of certain vaccines prior to entering the nursing field? Knowing that certain vaccines were required on order to pursue a nursing career??  Yes...I'm well aware of those requirements. I, too, had to show proof. If I remember correctly,  it was only MMR and maybe Tdap that were required. Other vaccines were optional. 

Look...I'm not saying don't vaccinate, or make it a requirement for healthcare workers,  I'm asking the questions we all should be asking about long term EFFICACY and possible serious long term negative health effects from the vaccine. I've had 2 employees test positive in the last week. Both vaccinated. One with symptoms and one without. Are the tests we continue to use the correct test for the new "variants"?  If needing a booster every 90 days is required, how effective are the current vaccines?  Still too much grey area to make mandations.  

Obviously there is no long term data for something that has existed for a short time.

Pandemic.

[Charlcie, BSN, RN]

On 9/4/2021 at 10:13 PM, HarleyvQuinn said:

Our military is required to receive vaccinations with much harsher side effect profiles than civilians are exposed to, or they lose their livelihoods. There has not been a flu (since 1918), varicella, or shingles pandemic the way we have had this COVID pandemic. Pandemics require unique mitigation strategies, especially in regards to ensuring that there is enough healthy/protected (I.e. vaccinated) staff to continue to care for the sick/vulnerable. There is still a choice. The vaccination is required for the job/employer. It's about the patients. It goes hand in hand with the potential occupational exposures. I often wonder how everyone would handle it if cases of bioterrorism occurred and it became necessary for our healthcare workers to be vaccinated against Anthrax or Smallpox. 

Can you imagine the conspiracy theories ??? LOL