Apparently per the EEOC's guidelines employers (not just healthcare related) can mandate vaccination of workers. The exception is a "sincerely held religious belief" or a covered disability. Just found out this morning that a chain of for profit LTC/SNF's are rolling out a Covid vaccine mandate for all direct care staff or face indefinite unpaid administrative leave. I am a heavy supporter of vaccination and of the new COVID vaccine and in fact am due to get one in early January. But I am doing so of my own volition. My facility encouraged all workers to sign up for a vaccine and provided information sessions and it's been really effective at getting people to sign up.
Even though I would disagree with someone's choice to not vaccinate, I don't believe they should be mandated at this point.
I am in the process of talking to hundreds (thousands?) of others interested in creating a fund to help employees looking for the resources to oppose the mandatory vaccinations and to stand up for what we believe to be our constitutional rights. We may or may not prevail but we can it least make it very expensive for institutional "bullies" .
You’re on a crusade, aren’t you? You seem to be devoting an awful lot of time and energy on attempting to sabotage public health measures.
I’ve said it in many posts, I think Covid-19 vaccines should be voluntary, not mandatory. That said, I would hope that a vast majority of the adult population will take a vaccine, and I would expect that healthcare professionals would have really high numbers. On my unit more than 98% are vaccinated.
Working in healthcare and working with a vulnerable population is a choice. None of us have to do it, but when we choose to do so, it seems reasonable to me that we do what we can to not add to their risk by being unvaccinated. But getting vaccinated isn’t only for work. It’s a way to get this pandemic under control. I’ve said it many times before. To me, getting vaccinated was an easy choice.
As of May 24, officials said there have now been 294,812 total cases of COVID-19, also known as the novel coronavirus, within the DoD: 194,345 military, 29,684 dependents, 52,342 civilians and 18,441 Defense Department contractors. In addition, 189,427 military members, 29,247 dependents, 46,825 civilians and 17,410 contractors have recovered, and 351 DoD-connected personnel have died: 26 troops, 12 dependents, 233 civilians and 80 contractors.
You’re on a crusade, aren’t you? You seem to be devoting an awful lot of time and energy on attempting to sabotage public health measures.
I’ve said it in many posts, I think Covid-19 vaccines should be voluntary, not mandatory. That said, I would hope that a vast majority of the adult population will take a vaccine, and I would expect that healthcare professionals would have really high numbers. On my unit more than 98% are vaccinated.
Working in healthcare and working with a vulnerable population is a choice. None of us have to do it, but when we choose to do so, it seems reasonable to me that we do what we can to not add to their risk by being unvaccinated. But getting vaccinated isn’t only for work. It’s a way to get this pandemic under control. I’ve said it many times before. To me, getting vaccinated was an easy choice.
I'm on track to earn 400k this year and my SO almost as much but I will will flush it down the drain with a smile on my face and, burn my NP licenses despite owing over 100K in student loans not having health insurance and having no retirement savings and currently living in a "so so rental house in an at risk neighborhood and instead live in a trailer and sell vegetables at a roadside stand in Wyoming before I take this vaccine. IF they would allow an exception if one could show antibodies to Covid from previous infection that would be different (for example I was able to avoid vaccination before nursing school by showing antibodies to various illnesses which would have otherwise required proof of vaccination). Especially in light of mounting evidence that previous Covid infection provides long lasting protection https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210524/Mild-cases-of-COVID-19-provide-lasting-antibody-protection-shows-study.aspx . Hopefully, millions of others who oppose vaccination without consent will join me in this endeavor.
Perhaps there are record numbers of VAERS reports because there has never been this amount of vaccine administered to so many people in such a short amount of time.
And having people use the V-Safe app to report side effects just makes them that more cognizant of side effects.
I had a sore arm twice, and a splitting headache after #2, but it wouldn't even have occurred to me to file a VAERS. But side effects have been emphasized throughout the vaccination process, so perhaps that causes a bias to report.
Did you all see the Washington Post article about how rates of infection in the unvaccinated are still high, as is the rate of hospitalization in that group.
The adjusted rates in several states show the pandemic is spreading as fast among the unvaccinated as it did during the Winter surge. Maine, Colorado, Rhode Island and Washington state all have covid-19 case spikes among the unvaccinated, with adjusted rates about double the adjusted national rate.
In addition to cases, several states still have relatively high death rates.
Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maine, Florida and Illinois all have adjusted death rates about 50 percent higher than the national adjusted rate.
I'm on track to earn 400k this year and my SO almost as much but I will will flush it down the drain with a smile on my face and, burn my NP licenses despite owing over 100K in student loans not having health insurance and having no retirement savings and currently living in a "so so rental house in an at risk neighborhood and instead live in a trailer and sell vegetables at a roadside stand in Wyoming before I take this vaccine.
You must have told us this at least twenty times by now. I’m not sure why you keep sharing this? We know that is your plan. It doesn’t sound like a plan based on rational decision-making to me. I think you are massively overreacting to the thought of getting a vaccine that well over a billion people have already received. But you’re of course free to move to a remote location in Wyoming and sell vegetables if you think that makes sense.
11 hours ago, myoglobin said:
However, this vaccine is different and relatively untestedinanylongtermsortofway.
11 hours ago, myoglobin said:
Especially in light of mounting evidence that previous Covid infection provides longlastingprotection
Why is it that a study that identified the presence of S-specific bone marrow plasma cells (BMPC) sevenmonths post-infection is considered longterm, while vaccine data for the same amount of time is considered not being tested in ”any long term sort of way”? You are applying different standards here.
When you consider the fact that rare and serious adverse side effects are normally discovered within weeksoracoupleofmonths after vaccination starts on a large scale, you ought to be able to appreciate that we already have a whole lot of safety data on the vaccines available.
It’s great that 14 out of the 18 participants who had their bone marrow tested had S-specific BMPCs in their aspirated samples (4 of the 18 did not have detectable levels) seven months after their Covid-19 infection.
As I said, that’s positive news but it will have to be followed up for a much longer period of time. Both if the BMPC levels remain steady over time and what kind of protection against infection and disease they confer years in the future.
The way I see it, you appear to latch onto anything that confirms your already formed opinion on immunity after infection and are very quick to disregard and dismiss anything that contradicts your opinion regarding the vaccines. As I’m sure you know, there is a name for that kind of bias.
11 hours ago, myoglobin said:
I am concerned that this is just "round one" and that the vaccine will actually make us more vulnerable for the next "accidental leak" (or Bio attack) to follow.
I don’t really know what to say about these last paragraphs except that they don’t really help your cause. It sounds like fringe theories and you’ll need a whole lot more evidence than the links you included to persuade anyone who approaches information in a rational way, that you’re onto something.
Well, for one all of my patients who are students at the University of Washington that requires the vaccination to attend classes. Again, we are back to this argument what is "consent". "You" say that if that vaccine is required to work, go to school or enter a store and you take it well that's "consent". I say that being compelled to get vaccinated or go without school, or employment isn't "free consent" in the same way it would not be considered for most things it is rather "compulsion". Sure you can choose to leave your job and "go sell vegetables at a roadside stand" (or the equivalent) but it isn't consent in any meaningful sort of way.
35 minutes ago, macawake said:
You must have told us this at least twenty times by now. We know that is your plan. It doesn’t sound like a plan based on rational decision-making to me. I think you are massively overreacting to the though of getting a vaccine that well over a billion people have already received. But you’re of course free to move to a remote location in Wyoming and sell vegetables if you think that makes sense.
Why is it that a study that measured bone marrow plasma cells (BMPC) seven months post-infection is considered longterm, while vaccine data for the same amount of time is considered not being tested in ”any long term sort of way”? You are applying different standards here.
When you consider the fact that rare and serious adverse side effects are normally discovered weeks or a couple of months after vaccination starts on a large scale, you ought to be able to appreciate that we have a whole lot of safety data on the vaccines by now.
It’s great that 14 out of the 18 participants who had their bone marrow tested had S-specific BMPCs in their aspirated samples (4 of the 18 did not have detectable levels) sevenmonths after their Covid-19 infection.
As I said, that’s positive news but it will have to be followed up for a longer period of time.
The way I see it, you appear to latch onto anything that confirms your already formed opinion on immunity after infection and are very quick to disregard and dismiss anything that contradicts your opinion regarding the vaccines. As I’m sure you know, there is a name for that kind of bias.
I don’t really know what to say about these last paragraphs except that they don’t really help your cause. It sounds like fringe theories and you’ll need a whole lot more evidence than the link you included to persuade anyone who approaches information in a rational way, that you’re onto something.
Granted my concern about "round two" is fringe at this point. However, the virus being created by "gain of function" is darn near mainstream at this point.
"We have record numbers of adverse reactions in the VAERS database https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.phpTABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19 far more than any previous vaccine on record. Evidence continues to emerge that this isn't a "normal virus" ".
Upon reading the (5/21/2021) data from the VAERS data, out of 262521 who got the shot, 4406 deaths, 4590 life threatening incidents, 3299 permanently disabled. The data also mentions birth defects. Yikes! Do people really understand what they're consenting to? Is there any liability, that is, legally, can you sue the manufacturer?
A long time ago, back in the 40's & 50's, doctors were telling people that cigarettes are good for you. Of course, they were never banned (in the US) because the profits to be gained + the push of lobbyists... all to make sure that you can still purchase this harmful product.
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19 minutes ago, Floor_Nurse said:
myoglobin wrote:
"We have record numbers of adverse reactions in the VAERS database https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.phpTABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19 far more than any previous vaccine on record. Evidence continues to emerge that this isn't a "normal virus" ".
Upon reading the (5/21/2021) data from the VAERS data, out of 262521 who got the shot, 4406 deaths, 4590 life threatening incidents, 3299 permanently disabled. The data also mentions birth defects. Yikes! Do people really understand what they're consenting to? Is there any liability, that is, legally, can you sue the manufacturer?
A long time ago, back in the 40's & 50's, doctors were telling people that cigarettes are good for you. Of course, they were never banned (in the US) because the profits to be gained + the push of lobbyists... all to make sure that you can still purchase this harmful product.
Do you honestly believe there is a cogent point in those sentences? Spreading unfounded fear about vaccines is not evidence of critical thinking.
Upon reading the (5/21/2021) data from the VAERS data, out of 262521 who got the shot, 4406 deaths, 4590 life threatening incidents, 3299 permanently disabled. The data also mentions birth defects. Yikes! Do people really understand what they're consenting to? Is there any liability, that is, legally, can you sue the manufacturer?
A long time ago, back in the 40's & 50's, doctors were telling people that cigarettes are good for you. Of course, they were never banned (in the US) because the profits to be gained + the push of lobbyists... all to make sure that you can still purchase this harmful product.
Please read all of it. You don’t seem to realize that incidents reported to VAERS haven’t been proven to be caused by a vaccine, or in many cases that causation is even remotely plausible. It’s not a tool created to be used by the public to draw conclusions. The data reported to VAERS needs to be analyzed before any conclusions can be drawn.
"We have record numbers of adverse reactions in the VAERS database https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.phpTABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19 far more than any previous vaccine on record. Evidence continues to emerge that this isn't a "normal virus" ".
Upon reading the (5/21/2021) data from the VAERS data, out of 262521 who got the shot, 4406 deaths, 4590 life threatening incidents, 3299 permanently disabled. The data also mentions birth defects. Yikes! Do people really understand what they're consenting to? Is there any liability, that is, legally, can you sue the manufacturer?
A long time ago, back in the 40's & 50's, doctors were telling people that cigarettes are good for you. Of course, they were never banned (in the US) because the profits to be gained + the push of lobbyists... all to make sure that you can still purchase this harmful product.
Please read all of it. You don’t seem to realize that incidents reported to VAERS haven’t been proven to be caused by a vaccine, or in many cases that causation is even remotely plausible. It’s not a tool created to be used by the public to draw conclusions. The data reported to VAERS needs to be analyzed before any conclusions can be drawn.
Agreed it can not be proven from VAERS alone that the incidents are linked to the vaccine. However, when otherwise younger, and healthy people have serious occurrences including death shortly after a vaccine (say 30 days or so) it is reasonable to be cautious. Also when the VAERS adverse incidents dwarf every other vaccine in memorable history including ones like the flu vaccines which a majority of Americans take every year it is further reason to be cautious. To at least engage in risk to benefit analysis. That takes in to consideration such factors as age, previous Covid infection, antibodies, and other comorbid conditions that would make the potential risk of the vaccine more worthwhile. It is not the time to tell people "take the vaccine or you cannot go to school or keep your job.".
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You’re on a crusade, aren’t you? You seem to be devoting an awful lot of time and energy on attempting to sabotage public health measures.
I’ve said it in many posts, I think Covid-19 vaccines should be voluntary, not mandatory. That said, I would hope that a vast majority of the adult population will take a vaccine, and I would expect that healthcare professionals would have really high numbers. On my unit more than 98% are vaccinated.
Working in healthcare and working with a vulnerable population is a choice. None of us have to do it, but when we choose to do so, it seems reasonable to me that we do what we can to not add to their risk by being unvaccinated. But getting vaccinated isn’t only for work. It’s a way to get this pandemic under control. I’ve said it many times before. To me, getting vaccinated was an easy choice.