Wrongful termination or being put between a rock and a hard place!

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To all RN's out there,

Has this EVER happened to any of you out there? What can an RN do when they are Wrongfully Terminated? In the state of Indiana if an RN is terminated and the notice of termination it is alleged that there was wrong doing. The terminated RN is required to notify the State Board of Nursing. Likewise, the terminating entity is also mandated to notify the state of the terminated nurse's status and is required to provide evidence to lend veracity to the grounds for the termination. Basically, this is to be done to justify the termination and to prevent the accused RN from continuing to practice. I did as I was asked to do and I notified the board. The board concurred that based upon the accusations made - the termination was warranted. The other interesting point is that when I was terminated - I was still working as a new trainee under a mentoring RN. We would go out and do home care visits. She and I would share the work load and document each other's care and assessments. That is what is so unexplainable to me. Her work was my work and mine hers!

As for the actual termination, I also informed the board that absolutely NOTHING stated in the notice of termination was truthful. Nothing that was said about me actually ever happened. I asked the board if the entity in questions had actually provided the board with the evidence to support these accusations. This is required by law as well. The board informed me that this company had not complied. The board asked me to secure this evidence. At this point I had already begun that process. I sent e-mail after e-mail. Each was answered and I was told by the firing entity did not have to provide any further evidence. Their simple accusations were evidence enough! My e-mails requests went on for months and all the way to the CEO of the company. He to also finally wrote back to me and said that they were not required to provide evidence to support their accusations against me. By this time I had already secured another position with the VA. It is a good job with benefits; but, it was not working directly as an RN.

The company that did this to me was NEVER required to justify their actions to the board. I also informed the company that fired me that if I had done all that they accused me of - then the entities that they cater to needed to know that various client assessment that I was a part of needed to be identified and re-evaluated. At that point the entity then threatened to sue me for tortious injury. I was required by the nursing board to appear before them to answer the claims against me by the entity in question. I was also required to provide my e-mail and correspondence traffic with the company. I did as I was instructed to do. Upon meeting with the board, the board then became very accusatory toward me when I could not explain the accusations made against me. They also did not understand why I was becoming more and more frustrated with the company that had fired me. I explained that I had been repeatedly for months asking that this company comply with the states requirements that they provide the evidence to support their slanderous allegations against me and that the company continued to refuse to comply and that is why I was upset with them. Most normal people would be! The board did not seem to comprehend this? The board stated that they all knew this entity and that they would not make things. My attorney and I both noted that this presented an obvious 'conflict of interest' for the board to make that statement. The board ignored this when we pointed this out to them. When I also pointed out that the entity had not complied with the states mandates to provide evidence to support their claims against me. The board informed me that in the case of this entity - they were not going to require them to do so?

The board then informed me that I was to be put on indefinite probation; to secure an MMPI-II to evaluate me for anger issues; and to demonstrate my continued nursing education; and finally to complete 6 additional months working as an RN with reports to be provided by my employer of the quality of my work. I again pointed out to the board that I had another good job and that I currently was not working as an RN. I also pointed out that even were I to quit my good job to try and go out and secure an RN position - no company is going to hire an RN with a status of probation on their license.

I have attempted to secure guidance from the board as to how I am to comply with this requirement to keep my good paying job and also secure a full time job as an RN while showing as being on probation. The board has thus far refused to answer my pleas for help and guidance here!

So..., I am very much as a loss as to how the board has actually done anything to even remotely treat this case in a fair, impartial and non-judgmental way? What am I to do? If there is ANYONE who has some idea what I can do here to remedy this situation - please let me know? I guess it really is true - Nursing Boards really do Eat their Young!

Thank you,

V/r

JRS, RN ASN

CPT, MS,

URAR

I completely understood her post as she clearly laid out what has occurred. I honestly think that only in Nursing and dealing with a BON would something like this happen. It is ridiculous! I would get another attorney ASAP, one who deals with the BON.

I guess you don't have but please get some as there are way too many stories about Nurses being at the mercy of their employer and wrongly terminated or loss of license.

Good luck to you!

Specializes in ER, ICU/CCU, Open Heart OR Recovery, Etc.
I completely understood her post as she clearly laid out what has occurred. I honestly think that only in Nursing and dealing with a BON would something like this happen. It is ridiculous! I would get another attorney ASAP, one who deals with the BON.

I guess you don't have malpractice insurance but please get some as there are way too many stories about Nurses being at the mercy of their employer and wrongly terminated or loss of license.

Good luck to you!

These days, BON's and employers are doing things that make my head spin and in this particular area, very believable. Having been through a similar situation, I fully understand how frustrating it is. One feels very alone and doesn't know who might help or just what to do. One can end up in strange situations through no fault of their own.

The important thing, in my opinion, is to question things like this and not just take the answers given to us. If more nurses did question these things and fight back, things could actually change.

Why would an employer comply with a BON. If I have a company and fire a RN, The BON would have no jurisdiction or power over me or my company to provide why said person was fired.

Ridiculous law. She has a a right to be angry. People get fired every day. I see staff getting new people fired because they are not part of the inner circle. People get fired because they don't agree with your political views or are the wrong race. Reporting all firings to BON means it is an employer's market and the worker will be blackmailed into accepting every injustice in silence for fear of being terminated.

I have walked away from jobs just to keep my license. In this case, you not only lose a job you lose a license, especially when the employer does not have to give reasons for firing.

This needs to be taken to the state legislature to overturn this draconian law. Get a nurses union involved. Remember, even if you try to leave the state and apply for a nursing license i another state, they will ask whether you have held a license in another state and what happened.

If they don't change these laws, the state will have zero nurses to take care of patients soon. Thank you for the heads up. I will never move to Indiana.

Specializes in GENERAL.

I'm not clear on this. You were fired by the company for what specifically? If they just didn't like the way you look, well in a right to work state, which is really a right for them to fire you for any trumped-up reason they desire, that would be a labor dispute issue and no business of nursing because they have zilch to say or even opine to you about. Sounds like a BON drone was just rubbing it in.

Now the law that requires you to blow the whistle on yourself over a labor despute, if that's the case, sounds weird. Here in the State of Florida the govenor who used to head up HCA pleaded the fifth over 55 times rather than have to incriminate himself in a case out in Nevada and that was his constitutional right. Now if the State of Indiana requires you to drop a dime on yourself, so to speak, to the BON, over a labor matter, again, I'm missing something. My question is then: Are they saying you falsified a record by charting while an orientee on a patient or patients in an unauthorized manner and somehow guity of some sort of ethical violation or standard of care? I don't get it. Could you clarify my inquities? Because if this is a question of your employer railroading you, that's one thing, if it's a serious breech of nursing protocol, which it doesn't sound like, someting here does not meet the eye. Get you ducks in a row. Don't be sanctioned or lose your license over a lack informed expertise.

Specializes in ED, ICU, PSYCH, PP, CEN.

1. The BON is not your friend, not there for you and could care less about the trouble you are having.

2. This is why no nurse should ever go without their own insurance. I have had mine since before I graduated and used it twice with wonderful outcomes.

3. Thank you for your service. Nursing is getting scarier and scarier.

What a toxic nightmare. Another venerable poster here has been sent down the rabbit hole with the IN BON. Soooooooo glad you have your good job at the VA with benefits. Yeah, right?! How are you supposed to fulfill probationary practice AND work at your job to earn a living. I can tell you that if you were willing to beg and scrape the very bottom of the barrel as far as jobs go you could secure a job to work off that pergatory-ish probation. I went personally to the most hellish, worst nursing homes in town and developed a relationship of sorts with the DON...both were willing to hire me. I worked off my first four months of probation that way until i could get something better. I mean the SNF was so bad that the State investigators would be in there every morning at 0600! I walked up and down the hallways for 4 months crying. I did it though. I got my car and cel phone and was able to rent a cheap room. I had became homeless and lost everything during the 8 months of being charged and the BON meeting in my case. From there I moved up. 3 years later I have finished probation and have an unencumbered license in my state.

My horrible crime: 3 glasses of wine while on-call blew a BAC of 0.13,, did not see a patient nor enter a facility night of arrest for DUI, never convicted-100% dismissed charge 2 years ago now.

Now I am moving to Hawaii and it looks like HI will give me more probation for the above event even though I HOLD AN UNENCUMBERED LICENSE IN MY STATE AND HAVE FULLY PAID MY DUES. It never stops! We are NEVER forgiven.

I just worked my last brutal night shift as Charge Nurse on a busy M/S/Tele unit where I have worked off my probation. DONE!

If given probation in Hawaii I will appeal. I have my unencumbered license in another state, enough is enough and I am no longer a victim.

So, I suggest you stay at your great VA job and thrive. I am winding down from the illustrious career of nursing.

I am going boho Hawaii hippy and if I never work another miserable nursing job again that will be fine with me. I am a good, competent and knowledgeable nurse who has paid her dues...and then some, but I am done!

These horror stories are so sad. I am so tired of them. Good luck to you, honey and God bless to all of us.....(((((hugs)))))...Paidmydues

Your signature block is totally incorrect; if you have been in the military 30 years you know how to construct one. Please fix it or don't use it.

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.
Your signature block is totally incorrect; if you have been in the military 30 years you know how to construct one. Please fix it or don't use it.

Please use the quote button so we know who you are talking to.

Reading your story makes me want to go back to college and get a backup degree for when I get wrongfully terminated. What ever happened to innocent before proven guilty? Who is in charge of making checks and balances on the BON? Its seems like the BON is getting too big and powerful. They are capable of ruining someones life with no just cause. Its sickening. Can we sue the BON for failure to follow their own laws?

Buyer Beware, thank you for evoking the 5th. Would not Indiana's law be unconstitutional if it contravened the 5th Amendment?

NCSBN's website lays out the following limitations on BON jurisdiction:

Initial Review of Complaint | NCSBN

[h=1]Initial Review of Complaint[/h]

[h=2]Jurisdiction[/h]The first consideration in reviewing a complaint from a member of the public or a health care facility is whether the board of nursing (BON) has jurisdiction (the authority to enforce laws or pronounce legal judgments) over the particular person and the particular action. A quick check of the BON license database will confirm whether the individual is licensed in that jurisdiction. The second consideration is whether the act is one which is governed by the state nurse practice act. Typical examples of actions which are regulated by nurse practice acts are those that are practice related, drug related, boundary violations, sexual misconduct, abuse and fraud.

Issues which are not within the authority of the BON include the following: interpersonal conflicts, rudeness or impolite behavior, employee-employer relations, labor issues, fee or billing disputes, complaints against health care practitioners who are not nurses, complaints against health care facilities, clinics, or agency operations.

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