so when is it wrong to stand for unfairness...

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.... yesterday i had a disagreement with my teacher about how she treats certain students like their the devils child and how she lets others get away with murder: come late, eating basically a full course DURING class, have their own personal conversations during class, etc...we weren't yelling at each other though nor being disrespectful towards each other. but we're in front of the whole class. i wasnt going to say any names but she kept egging me on to say who. so i named the girls she seems to be so mesmerized by and she just stayed shut cuz she knew exactly what i was talking about. she just didnt think that i would call her out in front of everybody. i dont know why because everybody sees it.. but now today as soon as i get to school and they tell me that i have to leave - no discussion, no being able to state my case on the matter. they just call me in tell me i have 10min to get off the property and the only time, if any, i have to state my case is on tuesday and i better "choose my words wisely" - put simply they're kicking me out of school! what kinda bs is that.. :angryfire if i get kicked out cause of this.....

Specializes in Rehabilitation; LTC; Med-Surg.
Exactly my point....if another student doesn't pay attention, wants to play on the Blackberry during lecture and not take notes...I could care less...Darwin's theory will eventually take care of the problem.

My response was to a poster that said that I "couldn't do that on a job"...well, work isn't school...and to suggest they are the same is really...well, ridiculous.

My instructors never started class on time.....ever. They thought nothing of showing up 10, 15, 20 minutes late and even had the nerve to ask us to stay later....this was a daily thing with them.

Our class had over 40 students...to me, it was less disturbing to have a student that was occasionally late...go quietly to their desk...get settled...than to waltz in and stop the lecture with, "OMG! Sorry I'm late, you won't believe what happened!"...with over 40 students, someone, had something to happen, most everyday and it was very rarely the same person...there was only one student that was late every day...she also, didn't graduate.

We even had a student that showed up 45 minutes late to a two hour lecture....but she wrecked her car on the way to school and had the tow truck to bring her to class so someone else would take her home...b/c she wanted to be there.

Pretty much everyone brought food to class most every day....it was rare that I brought my meal, but other students would lay out practically a buffet of snacks at the start of every class....so I sure didn't feel guilty about bringing the occasional burger and fries....in fact, if the local fast food joint was running a special, I would sometimes pick up a few extra sandwiches and hand out to hungry classmates who didn't have time to stop at all.

What school and program is this? I want to know so I can report it!

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Why would bringing food stop you from learning, when classes (lecture) are back to back and during the lunch hours you bring food to class. I've only had one professor who banned eating. None of the others cared. Nearly everyone has a coke or water with them, quarter have food.

What are you going to report, colleges can set their own rules. I doubt whoever you reported this rumor of people eating or coming in late would care.

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Specializes in Psych, Med/Surg, LTC.

What I learned in nursing school, was to mind my own business. If I am following the rules and not getting into trouble, all is well. If others aren't following the rules, and are not getting into trouble, good for them. It isn't my business why someone is late or eating in class. Maybe they are a diabetic and needed to eat RIGHT NOW. Maybe others do not have time to eat between work/class. (yes, some people do work overnights!) Same thing for being late... Maybe they could not leave work before x time or they will get fired, then got stuck in traffic. Instructors DO notice who is late, eating, etc. They also pay attention as to WHY. So yes, sometimes the single mom who has a full time job gets cut more slack than the 20 year old who lives at home with their parents and has no job. I am not saying that is fair, but it is life. As long as you are following rules and not getting into trouble, MYOB. And if you do feel feel you are being singled out unfairly, you can discuss it with an instructor, but please do so privately. If you do it publicly, that will be the end... Nursing instructors do not enjoy being called out on being unfair publicly.. They will come back nasty!

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Specializes in Trauma acute surgery, surgical ICU, PACU.

I also notice that the OP didn't say if she was one of the people who had been treated unfairly by the instructor.

When I was in school, it was an unfortunate fact of being a student that you complained about unfair instructors TO EACH OTHER, amongst the group of students. The ones who had been more severely wronged had the option of going the appropriate routes to deal with it (talk to the teacher privately, go to the student advisors, admin, etc).

As for policing the behaviour (talking, eating in class, using PDA's, etc)... some schools are more on the side of adults taking responsibility for their own learning and you can still learn if someone else in the class has a hamburger. Some teachers are going to be more strict about it. That is totally the prerogative of the instructor or school to set the tone in that regard.

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I hope the OP didn't get kicked out of school and I hope she learned a valuable lesson. I am sure that many other students in the class had the same feelings as she did but did anyone else speak up? I'm a very outspoken individual but I've learned to never speak up on behalf of people who are unwilling to stand up and speak with me. If more people in the class felt that this was a problem then they should have went collectively as a group to administration and addressed their issues in an adult fashion. Instead I'm sure they egged the OP on and agreed with everything she said but on that fateful day the didn't have her back and now they are in class and she is likely looking for a new nursing school.

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Specializes in Rehabilitation; LTC; Med-Surg.
Why would bringing food stop you from learning, when classes (lecture) are back to back and during the lunch hours you bring food to class. I've only had one professor who banned eating. None of the others cared. Nearly everyone has a coke or water with them, quarter have food.

What are you going to report, colleges can set their own rules. I doubt whoever you reported this rumor of people eating or coming in late would care.

A person can report any nursing program if he or she feels the quality of education provided is suffering. That can include disruptive behavior, such as rudely munching on food during class. Institutions can set their own rules, but they are regulated - depending on your state - by certain boards. Those "board rules" always come first.

Here is how it generally works for rules and regulations:

Board rules >> nursing program rules >> college rules.

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Well, out of curiosity as well as concern for the OP, I notice they haven't given us an update. I suppose they got kicked out.

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Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.
A person can report any nursing program if he or she feels the quality of education provided is suffering. That can include disruptive behavior, such as rudely munching on food during class. Institutions can set their own rules, but they are regulated - depending on your state - by certain boards. Those "board rules" always come first.

Here is how it generally works for rules and regulations:

Board rules >> nursing program rules >> college rules.

...and what are you basing this on?

Please quote your source on how the Board of Nursing as the authority for banning eating in class, coming in late, etc.

No, the "Board" rules don't come first....the "Board" sets the standard for WHAT should be learned and how many clinical hours gets put in...it's up to the colleges to set how they get from point A to point B.

As long as my school's pass rate is within the standards of the "Board"....then we maintain our accreditation...and we certainly do.

I cannot believe you actually think that the BON's of the individual states has the authority to micromanage the process.

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If more people in the class felt that this was a problem then they should have went collectively as a group to administration and addressed their issues in an adult fashion.

Actually, depending on where you live, this is not necessarily a good idea. Nursing instructors are in great demand, and administrators aren't going to get rid of them for trivial accusations of favoritism. I had a clinical group in which 9 out of 10 students thought it would be a good idea to make a group effort to get rid of an instructor. They went as a group to the school administration to file a report and be interviewed. The two that were deemed the rabblerousers were booted out of the program, and the other 7 spent the rest the semester being watched like hawks by TWO instructors instead of one. No error was too small to be called on, and of course, 2 additional students ended up flunking out. The remianing 5 couldn't believe it when the instructor was unwilling to write letters of recommendation for them.

Lynch mobs are not a good idea.

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well, out of curiosity as well as concern for the op, i notice they haven't given us an update. i suppose they got kicked out.

she prolly didn't appreciate the negative feedback, most people wouldn't come back after getting slammed by their school, ranting about it on this board, then getting slammed by the board.

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Specializes in Rehabilitation; LTC; Med-Surg.
...and what are you basing this on?

Please quote your source on how the Board of Nursing as the authority for banning eating in class, coming in late, etc.

No, the "Board" rules don't come first....the "Board" sets the standard for WHAT should be learned and how many clinical hours gets put in...it's up to the colleges to set how they get from point A to point B.

As long as my school's pass rate is within the standards of the "Board"....then we maintain our accreditation...and we certainly do.

I cannot believe you actually think that the BON's of the individual states has the authority to micromanage the process.

They can make your program unaccredited.

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Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.
They can make your program unaccredited.

You didn't answer the question.

Quote your source where the BON has the authority to ban eating, drinking and regulating classroom attendance at a college program.

In my state, clinical hours and WHAT is taught in the curriculum is the only thing that is regulated.

How the college gets from point A to point B is up to them.

Be careful about posting things that you have no direct knowledge of.

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