Nurses Are Leaving the Bedside In Droves

We can all agree that in most areas of the nation, there is ample supply of nurses at the bedside, and in many areas, supply has well exceeded demand. Why they ask, are nurses always leaving the bedside? ANSWER: We didn't. The profession left us. Nurses General Nursing Article

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We can debate the why's, where's, how's, when's of the toxic culture in many hospitals and nursing homes.

More work, less support staff. More work, less pay. Too many patients. Higher acuity, more orders, fewer nurses being hired. My boss is dumb. My boss is toxic. Yes, its a BIG factor in a nurses decision to leave. We hate drama. We want to do our jobs in peace.

But those are just workplace semantics. There is drama in every workplace, wether in nursing, retail, law enforcement, food services, housekeeping, gaming, farming, hospitality, transportation, or basket weaving. Yes, its there now, and yes, it was there 50 years ago.

Truth be told, years ago, before corporate mergers/ takeovers/ acquisitions became as simple as buying pizza, we had hospitals and nursing homes. Today we have hospital systems and nursing home chains. With these corporate conglomerates at the helm, our profession was taken away. We lost our voices. We lost our sanity. We lost our zeal. Same thing happened to the banking system in the 1980s. Local stand alone banks were bought up, one by one, until we had 6 or 7 worldwide megabanks.

Corporate mentality stole the nursing profession and burned it at the stake. What used to be patient focus, is now billing focus. Today we do not have patients, we have inventory. Some generate substantial money, others are a drain. This is why, when and how "staffing to census" began rearing its ugly head. Back in the old days, there was no such thing as staffing to census. Nurses were hired on certain units, and that is where they stayed. Some days were super busy, others were not.

Staffing in hospitals and nursing homes today is soley based upon inventory (patients) and money (acuity). Not enough inventory in the burn unit? Float the nurse. Not enough inventory in L & D? Tell the nurse to stay home. Too many nurses on telemetry? Send 2 home, or let them work as techs on med-surg. And the list goes on.

What used to be paper documentation by exception, became EMR to generate maximum amounts of reimbursements from medicare, medicaid, and insurance. This is why we have box checkers (formerly known as nurses) spending 75% of their time at computer stations, and 25% of their time at the bedside. If you're lucky. So the next time your wife, husband, brother, sister, friend or companion starts mocking you for being a serial job hunter/ hopper, send them to this article.

Spread the word. Nurses didn't leave the bedside, the profession left us.

Specializes in ED, ICU, Prehospital.
1 hour ago, myoglobin said:

I consider unionization as an entry point. However, the union is only as powerful as the state laws and membership. So for example here in Florida only about 20% of the hospitals are unionized and despite their best efforts the best they can do is make the hospitals "sort of" obey their own policies (for example before the union, my manager used to float whoever she felt like, at least now with the union and the contract floating is rotated, just as hospital policy had always dictated). My endpoint isn't "just a bunch of NP's having private practices". Rather, I actually want NP's and RN's to actually have hospitals and HMO networks that out compete the chain hospitals, and offer superior service to the patients, and living wages/conditions to the employees. Once upon a time churches led hospital progress in America, I believe that nurses can do the same today. If Rick Scott (now a politician), but the former CEO of HCA when they received the largest fine in Medicare history is emperor Palpatine, then dedicated RN's and NP's can be the equivalent of a modern day Jedi movement for healthcare.

I did a job at ORMC--and wow--I got an earful about Rick Scott. I'm so sorry you are stuck with him.

I understand your point of view--but when the push is for "the individual"--meaning--management and administration and even nursing schools encourage the "me first" attitude--forcing nurses to compete against each other, attaching their success or failure on "clinical ladder climbing" instead of rewarding solid teamwork and patient care--nurses (and doctors. and CNAs. and technicians. it works across all levels of care)--it starts to take on the nature of a group of salesman. Competing against each other to bring in the bonus. the commission. who cares about the customer. who cares about the sales force--the company makes money off of the race to the bottom.

Who will do the most for the least.

When you squeeze people hard enough, as in the video from ZDogg says...if you "adapt adapt adapt adapt....then you break". This is what's happening.

How many here have advised new nurses to just "adjust their expectations" when it becomes a moral issue for this new nurse who just cannot handle what's happening? How many here have told people to just "pull up roots, quit your job and move to somewhere you know no one" just so you can just have a job but continue receiving the same abuse?

I read here that many state that "oh....the happy nurses just don't come here and post. that's why you don't see them". I'm not sure I understand....the absence of something is proof of it's existence?

I'm not against nursing. I've worked around them, with them and as one for my whole adult life. What we're doing isn't nursing. And I simply cannot, for the life of me....figure out why nurses continue to encourage the abuse that they're suffering? I'm against exploitation.

As a staffer--that's all I saw--this vicious competitiveness, encouraged by management..."daddy loves me the most!"...of nurses willing to do more and more as management stands back and says..."well then....let's take this away and see what happens!" And nurses, instead of fighting back---they adapt to the falling standards.

Unions and organizing give a group power to push back. It's for protection and leveling the field somewhat. But time and again....nurses that I've met will shake their head and say...."I am only doing this for experience so I can get out."

There is an answer to this national problem--but not if there are nurses who will continue to not just believe, but act on the belief---that "someone has to do the job" and that "this is how it is".

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Specializes in Cardiology.
16 minutes ago, 2Ask said:

Disagree completely!!! I wonder if you can find any second career nurse who went in with $$$ in their eyes? I made more in my former career but was obsolete after decades out raising children. As far as finding nursing fulfilling and a profession that helps people, that is no delusion. That is the truth for me.

Some hard knocks in life gave me a lot more compassion for patients than I would have had when I was younger as well as an appreciation for the job security and mobility I have experienced in nursing (have worked in 3 states in my 7 year career and got jobs pretty easily).

As for turnover, I don't have any statistics but I would bet it's lower with older nurses. The older generation is known for job loyalty while Millennial nurses are headed for the exit. One gets over the "grass is greener" syndrome after experience with that green grass over the septic tank or the parched grass of economic insecurity.

Perhaps the turnover with the millenial generation (mine sadly) and gen z will lead to job security for those who want to stay.

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5 minutes ago, ThePrincessBride said:

Yeah, we cannot be outsourced or automated like many positions, but due to the sheer number of people entering nursing school, the saturation levels take away that level of security. We are 100% replaceable and management and co. know this. They can always find cheaper labor.

Can you see how this applies even moreso to NP and CRNA?

"the sheer number of people" going for NP and CRNA and the saturation level... but they have a lot more money invested in their degree

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1 hour ago, myoglobin said:

I consider unionization as an entry point. However, the union is only as powerful as the state laws and membership. So for example here in Florida only about 20% of the hospitals are unionized and despite their best efforts the best they can do is make the hospitals "sort of" obey their own policies (for example before the union, my manager used to float whoever she felt like, at least now with the union and the contract floating is rotated, just as hospital policy had always dictated). My endpoint isn't "just a bunch of NP's having private practices". Rather, I actually want NP's and RN's to actually have hospitals and HMO networks that out compete the chain hospitals, and offer superior service to the patients, and living wages/conditions to the employees. Once upon a time churches led hospital progress in America, I believe that nurses can do the same today. If Rick Scott (now a politician), but the former CEO of HCA when they received the largest fine in Medicare history is emperor Palpatine, then dedicated RN's and NP's can be the equivalent of a modern day Jedi movement for healthcare.

downright visionary! seriously! you go!

Regarding your husband and wife traveler team post, having kids would put a wrench in that plan...

Specializes in Med-Surg, NICU.
7 minutes ago, 2Ask said:

Can you see how this applies even moreso to NP and CRNA?

"the sheer number of people" going for NP and CRNA and the saturation level... but they have a lot more money invested in their degree

I wouldn't say more so as an NP and CRNA have to go for more years of schooling, especially CRNAs. That alone decreases the competition.

But you are right; there is a saturation in many places. From my experience, most are still getting jobs out of school. I am worried about the saturation as an FNP, but I am going to school that arranges clinical sites and is highly-ranked, plus I am willing to work jobs most NPs don't want (think prison systems and retail clinics, for example). And my job is paying for all of my tuition, so there's that.

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Specializes in Med-Surg, NICU.
21 minutes ago, OUxPhys said:

Im a second career nurse but thats because I was in a pinch. I wasnt in a low stress, high paying cushy job before nursing school. I do wish that I would have looked at a trade after leaving the military instead of jumping right into college. Oh well, live and learn.

You could have picked far worse than nursing.

But yeah, I think nursing is overrated as a profession. So much responsibility for so little pay in comparison. I know plumbers and electricians who are killing it without having to worry about killing people if they make a mistake.

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Specializes in Cardiology.
22 minutes ago, ThePrincessBride said:

I wouldn't say more so as an NP and CRNA have to go for more years of schooling, especially CRNAs. That alone decreases the competition.

But you are right; there is a saturation in many places. From my experience, most are still getting jobs out of school. I am worried about the saturation as an FNP, but I am going to school that arranges clinical sites and is highly-ranked, plus I am willing to work jobs most NPs don't want (think prison systems and retail clinics, for example). And my job is paying for all of my tuition, so there's that.

Nah, CRNAs are now saturated. At one point they were undermanned but they too are saturated because everyone applies after 1-2 years of ICU experience. If they dont do that then its NP.

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Specializes in Cardiology.
22 minutes ago, ThePrincessBride said:

You could have picked far worse than nursing.

But yeah, I think nursing is overrated as a profession. So much responsibility for so little pay in comparison. I know plumbers and electricians who are killing it without having to worry about killing people if they make a mistake.

True. I was talking to a plumber. Once he gets his state license/certification he will be killing it (at least in my state). My dad works for a state university and a tradesman (title) makes around $50/hr on top of nice state benefits.

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Specializes in ICU, trauma, neuro.

Every profession has it's up's and downs. A few years ago Disney World notified that they would be laying off essentially the entire computer programming/data processing dept, and they would be expected to train their replacements https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html . Workers at Amazon are now actually getting fired by AI bots https://nypost.com/2019/04/29/amazon-warehouse-workers-are-getting-fired-by-robots/ that ding them for things like restroom breaks. My brother in law just had to get his masters degree to keep his 6th grade teaching job, and at 55K (with ten years experience) he makes less than my mother did in the mid 1990's. Do you see a trend here? Virtually, every "stable job" is getting worse and worse (in terms of pay and conditions) and we have barely begun to see the effects of truly powerful artificial intellience automation. At least nurses have a license requirement which will protect the until laws are passed "waiving" the requirement for "bots".

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Specializes in Cardiology.
21 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

Every profession has it's up's and downs. A few years ago Disney World notified that they would be laying off essentially the entire computer programming/data processing dept, and they would be expected to train their replacements https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html . Workers at Amazon are now actually getting fired by AI bots https://nypost.com/2019/04/29/amazon-warehouse-workers-are-getting-fired-by-robots/ that ding them for things like restroom breaks. My brother in law just had to get his masters degree to keep his 6th grade teaching job, and at 55K (with ten years experience) he makes less than my mother did in the mid 1990's. Do you see a trend here? Virtually, every "stable job" is getting worse and worse (in terms of pay and conditions) and we have barely begun to see the effects of truly powerful artificial intellience automation. At least nurses have a license requirement which will protect the until laws are passed "waiving" the requirement for "bots".

Its crazy how costs of living and education costs/requirements have gone up yet wages have been stagnant.

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Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
3 hours ago, OUxPhys said:

Nah, CRNAs are now saturated. At one point they were undermanned but they too are saturated because everyone applies after 1-2 years of ICU experience. If they dont do that then its NP.

Could you send that saturation my way? We're closing down ORs because we don't have enough CRNAs to staff the rooms.

Specializes in Cardiology.
25 minutes ago, Rose_Queen said:

Could you send that saturation my way? We're closing down ORs because we don't have enough CRNAs to staff the rooms.

Sure! Where are you located?? My area has a ton lol.