Why Not Just Do A Bsn Program???

Sheri257 · May 24, 2004

This is funny. Everybody is getting upset when, it's quite obvious that Hu Nurse didn't know what I was talking about when I mentioned NCLEX pass rates.

If Hu Nurse doesn't know what the NCLEX is, maybe she (or he) doesn't know much about anything else either.

:chuckle

nursbee04 · May 24, 2004

I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE!

Someone has an inferiority complex!! You're going to be miserable if you go into your nursing career with that thinking. Hope everyone where you work has all their credentials listed on their badge.

Education is invaluable, but it is not to be lorded over one's peers (because ADN's ARE your peers, you know...assuming that you're not just a troll).

You posed the question asking if ADN could REALLY be competent didn't you? Did you really expect to bring up such a hot topic and not get "touchy" replies? Well here is my answer to you: Being a BSN does not make anyone a competent nurse. A competent nurse is competent because she/he knows their stuff.

I shall step down from my fiery red ASN soapbox now... :)

suzy253, RN · May 24, 2004

LOOK PEOPLE, GET OVER IT! YOU GUYS WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS SO WHY ARE GUYS GETTING SOOOOO TOUCHY ABOUT IT. AND LIKE I SAID, I WILL ONLY BE A BEDSIDE NURSE FOR THE REQUIRED YEAR B4 GOING BACK TO GRAD SCHOOL IN WHICH CASE I WILL NOT BE TAKING ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE OR BSN NURSE FOR THAT MATTER. SO THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID SO I WILL REPHRASE IT: "AFTER COMPLETING MY REQUIRED YEAR OF BEDSIDE NURSING, I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE AGAIN!" HAPPY :) WELL PEOPLE I'M GETTING OFF WORK NOW BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY NICE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AND I WILL PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF PISWSING YOU TOUCHY NURSES OFF TOMMOROW.

whew! speaking of touchy.. :rolleyes: .. First, I don't believe I saw anyone 'trying to change your mind'. You asked question/posted comments and that's what this board is for...communication. Instead of calling us touchy, maybe we were just trying to educate you, huh?

Also your 'no point in doing all that clinical when you barely know the theory behind it". HUH? Oh, we do know the theory behind each and everything we do in clinical. We're not just thrown on the floors of the hospital ya know...we are taught theory. Good grief.

Don't forget...we're all taking the same NCLEX and will get paid the same.

And why is ADN a copout??? :rolleyes:

angel337, MSN, RN · May 24, 2004

i can't believe that people are still debating this issue. it is so tired. everyone has a right to their own opinion and no one should be made to feel inadequate/incompetent because of their chosen educational route. experience is the best teacher. when you actually "get out there" and be a nurse, alot of opinions you had in school will change. trust me on this one.

suzy253, RN · May 24, 2004

Thanks Suzy ... you took the words right out of my mouth. :)
Just wanted to clarify - someone mentioned diploma programs being "3 years of clinicals and nothing else." Not so ... my 2-year diploma program includes the courses that are pre-reqs for most of you in ADN programs (A&P, micro, etc.)
It would be interesting to compare the # of clinical hours, however ... anyone got their program's catalog handy? My program's clinicals total 990 hours. Just curious how that compares.

Great minds think alike! :)

My 3-year program has a total of 1848 hours clinical. No wonder I'm so tired. :zzzzz :zzzzz

Cheers, Sue

angel337, MSN, RN · May 24, 2004

LOOK PEOPLE, GET OVER IT! YOU GUYS WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS SO WHY ARE GUYS GETTING SOOOOO TOUCHY ABOUT IT. AND LIKE I SAID, I WILL ONLY BE A BEDSIDE NURSE FOR THE REQUIRED YEAR B4 GOING BACK TO GRAD SCHOOL IN WHICH CASE I WILL NOT BE TAKING ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE OR BSN NURSE FOR THAT MATTER. SO THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID SO I WILL REPHRASE IT: "AFTER COMPLETING MY REQUIRED YEAR OF BEDSIDE NURSING, I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE AGAIN!" HAPPY :) WELL PEOPLE I'M GETTING OFF WORK NOW BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY NICE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AND I WILL PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF PISWSING YOU TOUCHY NURSES OFF TOMMOROW.:chuckle :chuckle :chuckle

you appear to have anger management issues. if you think you won't be taking orders from a adn nurse then i suggest you find another career or you will be working alone. btw, i have a bsn and half of my charge nurses are adn's. i could care less, because in a crisis guess who you will be calling? the new grad with the bsn or the 10-20 yr experienced diploma nurse. get real.

Brickman · May 24, 2004

"AFTER COMPLETING MY REQUIRED YEAR OF BEDSIDE NURSING, I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE AGAIN!" HAPPY :)

Something tells me that the chances of you completeing one year of nursing are pretty slim. :rolleyes:

luckyladyore · May 24, 2004

I started out doing the 2 plus 2 with the Associate being earned at the end of the 2 yrs and then 2 towards your bachelors and clinicals at the end. I wanted to do the ADN because the WAITING LIST is so long..... Im willing to do anything to get in Im just wanting to get into some program!!!!!! :uhoh3:

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 24, 2004

I'm not looking for "info." What I am asking is for the opinion of ADN students and why they chose that route rather than the BSN route and do they think that they can be just as competent as a BSN nurse...

I'm not going to read every answer or get too involved. I'm just going to answer your question. In the city I was in there was only an ADN program offered. I was in my 30s and had decided to follow a goal I was to become a nurse. At this point in my life I couldn't afford to go to the major university, couldn't afford to move, had to work full time and go to the only program offered in my area, which was a noncompetetive first-come-first-serve cheapo community college. It was NLN approved and I passed NCLEX on the first try.

BSNs by nature have more information than an ADN, so it's a no brainer that the ADN programs don't fit in all that's in a BSN program. ADNs don't try to fit in all that is in the BSN program.

I always advise people who have a choice to choose BSN.

RedSox33RN · May 24, 2004

AFTER COMPLETING MY REQUIRED YEAR OF BEDSIDE NURSING, I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE AGAIN

So you what, plan on asking someone what kind of degree they have every time you are given an order or task? The nurses in two hospitals I go to have name tags that say "Registered Nurse", not ADN or BSN or MSN. Or are you going to only apply to facilities that will let you decide what you want on your name tag?

I agree, I don't think you'll make it through a year either with that attitude. And that's MY OPINION.

jackleg27 · May 24, 2004

I'm sure that I am going to get ripped for this one but I am just curious. Whats the point of doing an ADN program? I mean, are you really going to be as competent as a BSN nurse? Considering the fact that I am in a BSN program and I can barely keep up with all of the tons of info that they throw at us, I wonder how you can possible obtain all that info in a ADN program. And further more from what I understand, with all the pre-reqs that you have to take, it ends up taking the average ADN student 3 years to finish anyway. So why not just do a 4 year program???
BE gentle...

Why not do your ADN then get your employer to pay for the bridge program RN-BSN makes good economical sense to me. That is what I am doing.

jenrninmi, MSN, RN · May 24, 2004

The NCLEX-RN is the final measure for all RN graduates, and if you look you will find ADN graduates out score BSN graduates on the NCLECX-RN. QUOTE]
This is not true. It may be true in some cases but definately not in all. People on this board are also constantly saying that adn programs get more clinical hours than BSN programs and I have shown several people on this board that my BSN program has TWICE the hours as theirs.
To the OP, you also need to look at the graduation rate, not just the NCLEX pass rate. The NCLEX pass rate may be 100% at a certain school, but if only 10 people graduated, what does that say? To the people with the 100% NCLEX pass rate, what is your graduation rate?