Why are Newbies Such Whiners?

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catchy title, eh? right up there with "why are nurses such backstabbers" (assuming that all nurses are backstabbers) and "nurses eat their young" and "why are nurses so mean?" i don't know about the rest of us "seasoned nurses", but i'm getting rather tired of all the threads busting on us for being "mean" to new nurses, students, etc. it seems to be an underlying assumption on most of the threads of the ilk that nurses are mean, evil backstabbers who live to humiliate someone with less experience.

i've had the opportunity lately to observe some newbies and their preceptors from the patient's perspective. granted, i've been a nurse for 29 years and have been both an orientee and a preceptor -- most recently an orientee. so i do have some experience from pretty much all sides now.

i was a patient, flat in bed after my spinal surgery. the orientee and preceptor introduced themselves, outlined the plan for the day, and then the preceptor left for a short while to sort out another patient who was screaming the screams of the totally demented, leaving the orientee to do my assessment and am care. the orientee was supposed to be almost ready to be on her own -- and she scared me to death! wanted to give my antihypertensives when my bp was 82/50, wanted to give my hctz when i was dehydrated from vomiting, npo, and my iv rate was only 50cc/hour and a few other things indicating (to me, anyway) poor judgment. when i refused to take the meds and outlined my rationale, she ordered me to take them anyway so she wouldn't get into trouble. i asked her how long she'd been in this job, and was it her first nursing job, or where had she worked before. the floodgates opened, and she started complaining about what a terrible place it was to work, the lousy pay, the horrible hours and how all the experienced staff were mean to her. (the preceptor came back into the room in time to hear that.) totally unprofessional! the preceptor didn't say anything in front of me, and calmly took her off to "plan the rest of our day."

later that day, i overheard the orientee telling someone (i'm assuming on her cellphone) how totally mean her preceptor was, and how the preceptor was "out to get her." she said "all i was doing was bonding with my patient who is a nurse, too, and the ***** (preceptor) just totally humiliated me. she told me i was unprofessional! i thought you were supposed to be nice to your patients."

nurse eating her young? or totally out of line and unprofessional newbie whining about being justifiably corrected?

another time, i heard a preceptor tell her orientee not to give my antihypertensives if my bp was less than 100/systolic. (it was.) newbie comes in to give my antihypertensives anyway. (different newbie.) i refuse. newbie goes to get preceptor. preceptor and i discuss my bp and agree not to give antihypertensives. later, i hear preceptor calmly explaining to newbie that giving an antihypertensive to a hypotensive patient can cause problems. (they're out in the hall, evidently close to my room, and i didn't hear anyone else around, so i'm assuming there was at least an illusion of privacy for this discussion.) newbie got defensive and started lying. preceptor remained calm and reiterated her position. newbie continued to be defensive, escalating the volume. later, i hear the two newbies commisserating about how mean their respective preceptors are.

i have to admit that when i hear a new nurse complaining about how "nurses eat their young", especially after those recent experiences, i always wonder what a preceptor could possibly do to try to correct some of these blatent mistakes without being accused of being "mean." and i wonder if that new nurse was as ridiculously in the wrong as those two were, and if she was, did she have any clue that her problems weren't all someone else's fault!

precepting is a tough enough job without being accused of being evil everytime you try to help someone to do better! being a new person is difficult, too -- but please try to look at what you contribute to the problem rather than just blaming the seasoned nurses you work with!

Specializes in Med/Surge, ER.

I've been on both sides, and it seems to me that preceptors only want what is best for their orientee. I am thankful that my preceptor 7 years ago was tough on me, it made me a better nurse. The fact of the matter is, when you're precepting a new grad, you're responsible for his/her actions, so its necessary for you as the preceptor to critique every action of that new grad.

Specializes in He who hesitates is probably right....
i say that labelling women as whiners and backstabbers is not only a sexist comment, it does nothing to advance the discussion. furthermore, it intimates that you have marginal respect for an entire gender and the majority of a profession.

might be sexist, but it is accurate :D . i call 'em like i see 'em, ruby.

Specializes in Neuro, Critical Care.

Women come equipped with a natural inclination to caretake, fix, cover, compromise, and generally do whatever it takes to make things better. The fly in the ointment is that there will always be those--

Not all women.

For that reason, the inhumane treatment of nurses might improve a bit if there were more men in the field. Not that every man has the ability to say no (or that no women do), only that fewer men have a guilt button to push.

I don't agree. I think concentrating on how we as a person can change our own situation would be more profitable to our profession.

They are more likely to say, "Not enough pepople to cover the week? Not my problem. Hire more staff."

I think i've said this more than once:) lol.

Neither men nor women are better, just different. And this is one area where we women can learn something from our brothers (there's plenty they can learn from us as well)..

True. We can all learn from others. I understand that not all men or women can't say no, but, I guess I just don't see it as that concrete. I don't neccesarily think it's gender related. I don't see it as most men are this way and most women are this way. I see the situation as most people react this way and some react that way. I am one of those people who have no problem saying no:)

Respect and regard start in your own head and heart. If you don't set limits and stick to them, why should anyone else honor them?

Exactly!! Agreed!

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
I dont whine.......I vent!:roll

Me too! I have a joke at work "I don't whine......I (well it's a TOS violation rule, but it begins with a b) :roll

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Might be sexist, but it is ACCURATE :D . I call 'em like I see 'em, Ruby.

I have to allow you your vision of the world while respectfully saying that vision is hurtful to our profession and INACCURATE!

I call them as I see them too. Maybe we're looking at different pictures. :)

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

Some vision needs correcting. What we see is not always what IS.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
Might be sexist, but it is ACCURATE :D . I call 'em like I see 'em, Ruby.

Can't judge a book by its cover....

For the preceptors who are hard on their orientees - there's a difference between challenging an orientee, and being degrading, condescending and cruel.

Orientees should be challenged a bit - we need to learn. But some preceptors are inpatient, roll their eyes, "tattle" about the orientee to other employees, etc. Now THATS juvenile behavior.

I was treated so poorly as an orientee that I lost all confidence and almost left nursing altogether. That kind of "being hard" on an orientee only hurts the future of our profession.

If you feel the urge to complain so much about new nurses, maybe you shouldn't precept. Leave it to the other nurses who are more compassionate.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
might be sexist, but it is accurate :D . i call 'em like i see 'em, ruby.

then there's something wrong with your vision. i'm sorry for you.

ok I Just graduated one month ago.............I managed to pass the Nclex....now I have the interview.......getting ready to be tossed into the deep end of the pool.I can't swim....during my first clinical rotation most of the nurses I encountered were pretty miserable. I thought about quitting because I thought that nurses were supposed to LOVE their job. when I figured out that they were always short staffed and under equipped, well who wouldn't be grumpy,that and a bunch of starry eyed students underfoot!I learned to just observe and jump in with an extra pair of hand if needed.I went on to diffferent sites and had different experiences. Some great,some just ok.I do realize that even though I managed to retain the info long enough to become licensed........I am so not feeling ready for this,yet I feel as if I am supposed to go in their and know what I am doing!AAAAAhhhhh.....so...what is a newbie to do? Don't want to come off like a complete idiot,but don't want to be an arrogant whiner! Any advise?? please!!!

I am a very new newbie, considering I am still a student (12 weeks left!) Anyway...I think that this unprofessional behavior comes from lack of experience working in healthcare. There are many nursing students in my class that I cannot fathom in my wildest dreams are going to make it as nurses. These are the students that are just out of high school, honor students, etc that know all the textbooks front and back but lack so much in human interaction and actual nursing. I have been in the field for 12 years and I think that if it were required to have some healthcare experience prior to entering nursing school, this lack of respect for the nurses who have paved the way for the newbies would not exist. I know that I have the utmost respect for anyone above me and I am eager to learn th right way to be a nurse. So thank you to all of the "veterans" reading this!

Specializes in He who hesitates is probably right....
then there's something wrong with your vision. i'm sorry for you.

vision is fine...don't be sorry :D

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