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Why Do Nurses Eat Their Own?

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As current times have shown, we're short staffed. Administration wants to make money. So cuts are made to equipment and man power. Who has your back? Who can you rely on? Your fellow nurses? I'm not so sure anymore. Why do we as nurses eat our own when we should be teaching them and guarding them as our own. The fact is as we age our young nurses are going to be taking care of us, but there are those all too eager beavers who will in fact burn you. This is my experience. You are reading page 7 of Why Do Nurses Eat Their Own?. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

JimmyDurham9 has 6 years experience and specializes in Ambulatory Care, LTC, OB, CCU, Occ Hth.

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Oh look all the first-time posters. Lovely way to introduce oneself - by saying nurses eat their young/own then blaming it on females or jealously, or old nurses. Welcome. :rolleyes:

Just shows that there is still a lot of education that needs to be done.

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RNdynamic has 5 years experience and specializes in Critical Care, Float Pool Nursing.

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You do "Code Dumping", literally, and bail on your co-workers when they need you most by your own admission, so this really means not that much, ya know?

I don't actually use the toilet during those times so it isn't truly code dumping. I close the lid and just sort of take a breather. I wouldn't ever sit on a common-use toilet with the lid up -- ewwww.

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Yes, this sort of "nurses eat their young" and the "young biting harder on preceptors" (more like bite the hands that fed you kind of a thing) happens everywhere. It is not only unique to nursing. However, my only take on this piece is to try as much as possible and have a positive attitude towards everyone at work. When we form a negative opinion about a person, it kind of changes our attitude towards that person and invariably affect communication. We sometimes read meanings into co-workers attitude without actual getting deep enough to realize that they may not be out to get us. Fate has a way of playing the game of coincidence on us and it works for the most part. Be positive, do the right thing always. When someone decides to play the "evil one", fate also helps them get the repercussion in a very memorable way!

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Replies like this highlight the ops point....mean spirited and nasty....and reading on through many nasty posts continue....why even bother to reply with a snarky negative post....wait I know.....you are nurses....attempting to make yourselves look like you are all that while trying to minimize the credibility of the OP....Unreal

I was thinking the very same thing! Perhaps they should start an online nursing forum? Oh, hmmm....maybe that would require work, they may be the ones eating their own? I like to call it a domino affect. You are correct. SO many chiefs has been the issue for so so many years. We just can't compare nursing to real estate or personal trainers as one did...it's just not the same as hard as you try to make that analogy...lives are on the line. This is skill and heart not the big business they are making it.

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RNdynamic has 5 years experience and specializes in Critical Care, Float Pool Nursing.

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I started nursing late in life - in my fifties. Prior to that I was a teacher, business woman, and did a lot of other jobs as well. A BN is my fourth degree. I have a BA, BEd, MEd as well so I'm well-educated. While it's true that nasty people are in every profession, I can tell you with certainty that nursing has the highest number of bullies and nasties, period. And by the way, any idea that nurses are well educated is ridiculous. I completed a nursing degree after my other degrees and I know that nurses are NOT well-educated or well informed by any stretch. The introductory liberal arts courses they take are usually something that they sigh about because they "have to" to take them but, "What does this have to do with nursing?" They are not typically curious or enlightened individuals, which is part of the problem. They are in a rush to be middle class, get a secure job and then stay there for life.

I also believe that a lot of Borderline Personality types are attracted to nursing because of the "angel of mercy" aura that allows them to be nasty and kind at the same time. "Borderlines" thrive on drama, are usually paranoid (need to sabotage others), and live in complete denial of their own behavior. They really do believe their own "split" persona - that is, "I'm a nurse so that proves I'm a good person." Actually, I believe that about 50% of nurses are "borderline" Borderlines, and they wreak havoc wherever and whenever they can, but hide it beneath their angel of mercy disguise, (in their own minds). Never in my life have I encountered so many nasty individuals intent on causing problems for others. Think I'm exaggerating? CK out the literature - 60% of new nurses leave their first job because of bullying from their nurse colleagues. The literature is FULL of articles about horizontal violence in nursing. Just google it and you'll get pages on it, and ck out the professional journals. People have done their doctorates on this subject.

I'm laughing because I know y'all are fuming right now since Borderlines have no insight into their own behavior.....

I'm forced to agree with the above comments about nursing education and its tendency to produce less than well-rounded people.

It is amazing how many ignorant nurses are out there. Tons of them lack writing and critical thinking skills and fail to keep themselves abreast of anything in the world outside nursing. Many nurses don't even know how to play chess or have watched the original Star Wars trilogy. Essentially, nursing is the world to them. Many know nothing of history, literature, politics, or really any other discipline. I majored in both English and Nursing so I know what most nurses are missing as far as a liberal arts background goes, and the amount that many are missing is pretty dreadful. I have a suspicion that many are the same people who, as students, will talk about planning to "brain dump" what they learn in college after they are tested on it. They don't actually care about knowledge for its own sake, just about achieving some financial security.

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement that the type of people attracted to nursing are not knowledge seeking or what I could consider "bright" or "enlightened" individuals. And that is what makes nursing a "trashy" profession in the eyes of many and reinforces its low class underpinnings further. Nurses just don't have the same curiosity about life and well-rounded education that you'd see from doctors, lawyers, and so forth.

Now I know people are going to come at me with statements about how hard nursing school is. Some of nursing school is hard, but much of it is not. Memorizing a whole bunch of anatomy and physiology isn't exactly a sign of brilliance. The so-called "medication math" classes that nurses are required to take are the equivalent of what is taught in middle school algebra: converting fractions to decimals, etc. -- and tons of people STILL fail at it. That's sad. Give most of these "wise, smart, experienced nurses" a seat in a basic calculus class or in organic chemistry and their brains would probably implode. But what else would you expect -- these are the same people who think writing is a useless skill and that it's okay if your spelling and grammar are as bad as a five year old's as long as you are a "wise, smart, experienced nurse."

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Farawyn has 25 years experience and specializes in A little bit of everything..

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I was thinking the very same thing! Perhaps they should start an online nursing forum? Oh, hmmm....maybe that would require work, they may be the ones eating their own? I like to call it a domino affect. You are correct. SO many chiefs has been the issue for so so many years. We just can't compare nursing to real estate or personal trainers as one did...it's just not the same as hard as you try to make that analogy...lives are on the line. This is skill and heart not the big business they are making it.

I have skill and heart, but I got into nursing for the flexibility and the paycheck. It is indeed a Big Business.

The rest of your post is kind of hard to decipher.

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RNdynamic has 5 years experience and specializes in Critical Care, Float Pool Nursing.

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I gotta step in an say with as much respect as I can muster: you are out of line in a lot of what you are saying. Many nurses have their faults and their petty negativity that distracts them from using the power they have to make real change, but you're out of line saying that the idea of well-educated nurses is ridiculous. You may claim to be well educated and list whatever credentials you have, but they don't amount to squat in your people skills area. You aren't superior to these so called "uneducated" nurses. You are just as ugly and nasty as you claim they are.

I think you're wrong here Jimmy. Jcg1 has got it. A bachelor degree prepared nurse falls short of what many academics in the old days would consider to be "educated people," both in attitude and in breadth of knowledge.

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I have skill and heart, but I got into nursing for the flexibility and the paycheck. It is indeed a Big Business.

The rest of your post is kind of hard to decipher.

Hopefully the OP can decipher it. I noticed it wasn't all that well packaged up before I sent it. BTW, I have been here reading for many years, just forgot my original ID and email that I had used. Not sure who is pointing out new posters above, but I am not a new poster. However, with that said, even in 2008 I didn't respond or say much. Hopefully she won't attack me for being new and not agreeing with me either? Ahhh geez here we go.

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There are some pretty unkind things being said here. I think this kind of makes a statement in of itself.

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Farawyn has 25 years experience and specializes in A little bit of everything..

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Hopefully the OP can decipher it. I noticed it wasn't all that well packaged up. BTW, I have been here reading for many years, just forgot my original ID and email that I had used. Not sure who is pointing out new poster above, but I am not a new poster. However, with that said, even in 2008 I didn't respond or say much. Hopefully she won't attach me for being new and not agreeing with me either? Ahhh geez here we go.

Okay.

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azureblue has 40 years experience and specializes in Trauma, Cardiac.

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The OP's post was a description of a type of NETY, so the title is only a bit generalized. IMHO, nurses eat their young because we are an abused profession. We are told what to do by administrators, families, doctors, etc., and told what we should be able to do and with how little. Abused children frequently grow up to be abusers. Experienced nurses frequently say abusive comments to newer nurses, implying that the new nurse will never be "as good as" the experienced one. The cycle needs to stop.

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Roy Hanson has 36 years experience and specializes in as above.

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some Young grad nurses have no talking/communication experience. They lived a bubble wrap life. Give them a cell phone, and they are at home.

Cut backs are NEVER on the top end of the food chain. Our hospitals cut front line, equipment, and new beebies aka Rookies. Everyone is afraid of their ass. Big Brother in some hospitals is watch, look up at the camera at the next patient you see.

Get used to it.

Its all about making MONEY! Got nothing to do with you.

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