Why Do I Care?

When one new nurse jumps ship after just a few months, it's none of my business. When it becomes a pattern, it hurts everyone: management, the patients, the new grads themselves and (believe it or not) the crusty old bat tasked with precepting them. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

Why do I care that new nurses leave our unit after less than two years -- often after less than one year? Why do I care, when they're adults. They're going to have to live with the consequences of being out of work, or having a resume that reflects job hopping or never learning the basics of nursing because they never stay in one place long enough to be able to learn them. Why is it any of my business?

When one new nurse makes an ill-considered decision with consequences that she personally is going to have to live with, it's none of my business. No matter how much I like the new nurse, no matter how much I was looking forward to working with her when she was off orientation, it's really not my business. One of my orientees quit while I was off work with medical leave. Later, we met for lunch and she told me her reasons for leaving. "I know you like me, Ruby. But Mary (her other preceptor) didn't, and I was afraid I was going to get fired." When pressed, she had no reason for believing that Mary didn't like her, or that she was in danger of being fired. She was just anxious, and without me there to smooth the processes for her and alleviate her anxiety about how she was doing, she couldn't hack it. It probably reflects badly upon me that I was her lifeline and I hadn't managed to keep her expectations realistic. I was so disappointed -- but none of my business. My former orientee and I are now casual friends, meeting occasionally for lunch and conversation. I enjoy the relationship, but would have enjoyed it more if we still worked together.

When the majority of our new nurses leave in less than two years, that's a problem that affects all of us. The majority of nurses that come to our unit do so to get ICU experience for their CRNA school applications. We all know it, even if they don't announce it to the world on their first day (as many do.) Others come here because it looks good on their resume, or to get tuition reimbursement for their NP programs or because their SO is in residency here. Within their first month on the unit, most of our new nurses give us an approximate exit date that has nothing to do with our staffing, our patient population, how we are to work with as colleagues or anything else that has anything to do with anything other than their own goals. There may be a cure for that sort of thing, but not at the staff nurse level.

We have a 30 bed ICU, so our staff is large. That means that we are CONSTANTLY orienting new nurses, and because our core staff of seasoned nurses is finite, that means if you've been there for more than two years, you're going to be precepting. Of course that means that people who should NOT be precepting are forced to anyway. People who are lazy or poor teachers or difficult to get along with are foisted upon new grads as their preceptors -- which isn't good for anyone. But even those seasoned nurses who LOVE new staff and LOVE to teach get burned out with constant precepting.

Precepting is difficult. It's so much easier to just go in there and assess that patient yourself rather than teach a new nurse how to do an assessment, discuss her findings and how they differ with yours (if they do) and what potentially that could mean. It easier to give the dang meds yourself than to wait around while someone else laboriously checks them out of Pyxis, looks them up, considers whether they're appropriate to give right now given whatever else is going on, and then gives them or holds them and notifies the provider. If you're doing it right, precepting a new nurse is one of the most difficult challenges you'll ever have as a nurse.

Those of us who remain at the bedside, mostly do it because we love taking care of our patients. Precepting means that we aren't actually doing the work of taking care of our patients. We're teaching someone else to do it, holding their hands, providing feedback that is hopefully in a format they can understand and accept, documenting their progress and having meetings with management and other preceptors to keep tabs on how they're doing. We're not taking care of our patients, which is what we stayed at the bedside to do.

Constant turnover of new nurses means that we rarely get a break from precepting. And when after all of our hard work with a new nurse, that new nurse leaves as soon as she can, that's demoralizing. In some cases, when you've nurtured a new nurse and mentored them and you know they're the perfect fit for our unit, it's heartbreaking.

And then someone calls us mean and nasty, implies that we're just jealous of opportunities we haven't grasped for ourselves or says that the only reason we're against job hopping is because we're old dinosaurs who don't want anyone to have things better than we did. I have the job I wanted -- my dreaaaaaammmmm job. I'm happy with my life, with my job, with my colleagues. I'm exactly where I want to be. But I sure wish a few others would look a little harder, see what a great job this is and what a great place to work and stay awhile!

Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.
I get you Ruby Vee. I only spent 3 years in ICU before I couldn't take working nights any more, and couldn't see hope of moving to days in the near future. (And I regret leaving the bedside, I miss it a lot.) But with new staff you have no one to watch your back if you have a patient crashing. With new staff you are up a creek if there is a code, or two codes. New staff may not be organized enough to be there to help you turn and clean a patient. New staff may miss subltle signs of decompensation and not intervene until it is too late, so you feel like you are watching the whole floor. You are ALWAYS the resource person - you don't have others with experience to bounce stuff off of - hey, tell me what you think is going on with this patient, or, I can't figure this out... Where I work the SICU and CVICU are CRNA wanna-be destinations, with high turnover. The MICU has a more stable staff, with a lot of COBs. Because you can't go to CRNA school if you work the MICU.[/quote']

Several MICU applicants get into school. Not all applicants are SICU and CVICU. Some are even PICU and NICU.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
I'm not aware of it being a "fact" that "they" want money without work. What a generalization! Where is your evidence?

I'm basing my evidence of almost 14 YEARS of potential and actual cohorts, and even nursing instructors, and some peers that I worked alongside, some I had to precept; when you hear "my worth" thrown about since July 2000 or as long as I have in this business; then come back with your own EBP; this is NOT a new phenomenon. Thanks. :nurse:

Specializes in Pediatric Cardiology.

It was a lot easier to get a job in the specialty you wanted 10 years ago. People now are desperate and take whatever job they can which sometimes results in them not liking it/looking for a new job shortly after being hired.

Specializes in Medical-Surgical, Telemetry/ICU Stepdown.

Job hopping as a resume issue does not hurt certified nurses with credentials (e.g. certifications) and experience in the high-demand specialties. I met a very young CCU nurse who is in her early to mid 20s who has already changed units like 6 times and you can bet if she asks for a new position again she will get it.

Employers don't think in term of what's righteous or honorable, they think in terms of stealing qualified professionals from their competitors.

Specializes in Labor & Delivery.

It took me 6 months to get my first nursing job and I worked in a prison for 6 months, moved to another state and got 9 months med/surg experience, moved to another state and got 7 months critical care experience. I start next week (my dream job) in L&D and I have no regrets. True I miss the friends I made along the way but I've always known I wanted to be a L&D nurse, it's just no one has given me the chance until now. Anyways I can understand how you feel having to precept people and then have them leave, but everyone must follow their own path.

Specializes in Oncology, Ortho/trauma,.

When I first read this I was in the camp of "who cares" if these nurses choose to career hop. After all it is a free country and I would want everyone to pursue the career of ones choice.

And then I floated from my Orth med/surg floor to our IMU

IMU is a small unit of 10 beds. They only have 2 FT nurses. 1 for days and 1 for nights. Both have worked there less than 4 years. They have float staff work with them everyday. I was appalled by this. I asked how could this be? The nurses reply was while the ICU has a turn over of 5-10 a year they are a large enough unit to not notice the void (though still there) She trains a nurse and a year later they transfer to the ICU. She said at first this would bother her, now she has just accepted this as fact.

I can not imagine not having the support and camaraderie that comes with years of working together. My ortho floor is so cohesive that during a code everyone already knows exactly what to do like a well oiled machine.

Hospitals just don't make it easy to "want to stay". There is really no benefit to staying long term in one hospital, at least not in my area. Maybe that is part of the reason for the high turnover and not just due to it being a stepping stone. I left my floor right after I hit the two year mark. Had the hospital admin made it a more pleasant work environment and given more reason to be loyal, maybe the high turnover would improve.

I'm basing my evidence of almost 14 YEARS of potential and actual cohorts, and even nursing instructors, and some peers that I worked alongside, some I had to precept; when you hear "my worth" thrown about since July 2000 or as long as I have in this business; then come back with your own EBP; this is NOT a new phenomenon. Thanks. :nurse:

Anecdotal with significant researcher bias.:roflmao:

Why should nursing be different than any other field/careee? Why is it that nurses are expected to do the job for greater good and what's good for other people and are put down if they are treating the job like one would in any other field and taking opportunities that help them advance themselves, make more money, or be more successful. Using a job to gain experience and knowledge to use as a "stepping stone" for better opportunities is not a dishonorable act. Maybe it's because it's a female dominated field that there is the attitude that nurses should love the job for what it is and sacrifice personal happiness and financial gain for the greater good. Maybe that's not it, I'm not sure. But I sure do know that nobody questions an employees motivation for personal success in any other field. I agree that one shouldn't do this job *just* for the money, one should have compassion for the job, but I don't know anyone that would do it for free or if itddidn't pay well. I think instead of being angry or hurt that some nurses are using your floor as a stepping stone, you should be proud and encouraged that these nurses have a desire to be successful and need you and your knowledge and the experience that your floor offers to get there. You are happy as can be working on your unit forever, but not everybody else will be or needs to be, and that's okay.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Anecdotal with significant researcher bias.:roflmao:

And YOUR bias is that you have NO experience perhaps? At least according to your profile.

Otherwise, it is objective data collection and observation; most prudent nurses KNOW their peers; and since YOU don't know what I've experience and observed, seems like you have your OWN bias; again, OFF the mark; thanks but NO thanks, try again, with someone or something else, thanks. :nurse:

Specializes in Medical-Surgical, Telemetry/ICU Stepdown.

If there is anything that really put me off in this profession, anything that really discouraged me, was the interviews and the condescending, cynical attitude of the healthcare recruiters and managers. Are you guys actually looking forward to going to interviews? The job interviews seems to be the biggest complaint when I speak to our successful veteran nurses, those who've been in the unit for say 8 years or more. Few people seem to be looking forward to interviewing.

Specializes in Med/surg, Quality & Risk.

You mean conducting interviews of prospective employees as a current employee? Or their original interview?