Who's at fault here?

[PerkyNurse55]

So about a quarter of the graduating class at my school didn't reach the 925 benchmark for the Exit Hesi...TWICE. Who's to blame? The school for not adequately preparing people? Hesi for not providing a good test? Or us, because it is possible that we are dummies? I mean obviously the students should have met benchmark and studied and blah blah blah but I know that I am not alone as being one of the people that studied 4-5+ hours a day on straight HESI and doing good remediation, but it still wasn't enough.

[joseyjo]

I literally didn't know that bladder irrigation was a thing until like last month.

This is worrying to me. Bladder irrigation is relatively common. Did you not see it at clinicals? Did you not learn about it in foundations of nursing or Med surg?

What exactly were you studying for 6 hours a day that did not lead you to what common topic like bladder irrigation?

How do you think the other 75% passed? Are they all previous cna's? Is it possible that maybe some of these topics were taught and you guys just forgot? In my class people who do poorly on tests often say that we never learned about the topic, but we did. They just don't remember.

[LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN]

This is worrying to me. Bladder irrigation is relatively common. Did you not see it at clinicals? Did you not learn about it in foundations of nursing or Med surg?

What exactly were you studying for 6 hours a day that did not lead you to what common topic like bladder irrigation?

How do you think the other 75% passed? Are they all previous cna's? Is it possible that maybe some of these topics were taught and you guys just forgot? In my class people who do poorly on tests often say that we never learned about the topic, but we did. They just don't remember.

I agree; I learned about bladder irrigation in Med Surg I; we even had questions about it.

I think nursing school can be so overwhelming that "information gaps" can occur; however, these concepts can be reviewed at any time.

[needlesmcgeeRN, ASN, RN]

Wait until NCLEX.

This whole way of measuring us doesn't seem ethical considering that a good percentage of the content on the test we NEVER covered in any class.

[Zyprexa_Ho]

[quote=Extra Pickles;903996

If the school is failing at teaching you, how do you suppose it is that 3 out of every 4 students passed this test? If the school is failing to teach you, how is it that you and the rest in the 25% group are getting good grades?

/QUOTE]

You act like the only variable that matters here is the teaching quality of the school. Perhaps the other 75% used outside resources to study and that is the reason they knew things that were in fact not taught. Perhaps some of the 75% just guessed correctly on questions containing information that was not taught. There is always more than one way to explain data.

[Zyprexa_Ho]

Let me put this another way for the nay-sayers. Correlation does not imply causation. Black children were almost four times as likely as white children to be living in poverty in 2013. Does this mean that the cause of this is the color of their skin? Of course not. Complex socioeconomic factors are.

[Conqueror+, BSN, RN]

Let me put this another way for the nay-sayers. Correlation does not imply causation. Black children were almost four times as likely as white children to be living in poverty in 2013. Does this mean that the cause of this is the color of their skin? Of course not. Complex socioeconomic factors are.

Using your example, whose responsibility is it to get them out of poverty? Themselves or the white children who happen to not be impoverished? It may not be OP's fault but it is their responsibility.

[Larry2016]

Who is to blame? HESI. The HESI model is out of date. Kaplan now has an actual computer adaptive testing mode when you finish the review sessions. Our school switched from HESI to Kaplan.

HESI is not a good NCLEX predictor, IMHO.

I got a 900 on my HESI exam, and argued 3 questions in my favor that 4 different instructors agreed with me.

[Jareen]

Please tell me more about this CAT mode on Kaplan! 🤓

[Zyprexa_Ho]

Using your example, whose responsibility is it to get them out of poverty? Themselves or the white children who happen to not be impoverished? It may not be OP's fault but it is their responsibility.

Circumstances make people. How is a young black child supposed to just magically make up for absent parents, a lower quality education, living in higher crime areas, etc? That's not how life works. You don't just "assume responsibility" and overcome every disadvantage. If you could do that, it wouldn't be a disadvantage to begin with.

[Conqueror+, BSN, RN]

Circumstances make people. How is a young black child supposed to just magically make up for absent parents, a lower quality education, living in higher crime areas, etc? That's not how life works. You don't just "assume responsibility" and overcome every disadvantage. If you could do that, it wouldn't be a disadvantage to begin with.

Not an answer to the question as expected. Back on topic the OP is an adult and needs to take responsibility for their situation and fix it not anyone else.

[Zyprexa_Ho]

Not an answer to the question as expected. Back on topic the OP is an adult and needs to take responsibility for their situation and fix it not anyone else.

You must have missed the whole point of my comment.

[Extra Pickles]

[quote=Extra Pickles;903996

If the school is failing at teaching you, how do you suppose it is that 3 out of every 4 students passed this test? If the school is failing to teach you, how is it that you and the rest in the 25% group are getting good grades?

/QUOTE]

You act like the only variable that matters here is the teaching quality of the school. Perhaps the other 75% used outside resources to study and that is the reason they knew things that were in fact not taught. Perhaps some of the 75% just guessed correctly on questions containing information that was not taught. There is always more than one way to explain data.

I am not acting like anything. I am stating outright that the OP keeps returning to the idea that the school is to blame for these really good students not passing the exam when the question at this point should not be "who is at fault" but instead "what did those people do to pass that I didn't and can I now do whatever they did so I can pass?" When most people have succeeded and few have failed, it is up to the few who have failed to determine what they are doing wrong and what they need to change so they too can succeed.

You are saying essentially the same thing but keep getting stuck on insisting the school might not be to blame. It really doesn't matter in the end does it? Take a cue from the successful students and stop trying to place blame anywhere but on the people who failed, if 3/4 of students somehow learned to pass, then the 1/4 who claim to be good to excellent students should be able to learn that too.

Three out of four students did pass that exam, so whatever the 1 out of 4 that failed the exam is doing is obviously not sufficient. They need to figure out what 3 out of every 4 students obviously already did figure out, which is what they needed to do to pass!