What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Tisutina · Aug 20, 2022

22 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Hahaha

Who used the FBI? Are you asserting that the FBI had no legal reason to execute that warrant on Trump's property? If so, the judge in the case and the majority of legal experts disagree with your assessment.

It appears that you have swallowed this latest Trump excuse for hoarding secret documents in his resort closets... that Trump somehow had a standing order for declassification of documents that none of his staff seemed to know about. I wonder how many people will believe this ridiculous claim before moving on to the next phase of denial... that Trump was simply protecting those documents and the National Archives should be thankful to him.

How many Americans are that gullible?

We will have to see the affidavit to determine if they had just cause to raid his home(if they release it). Especially why they found it necessary to look in Mrs. Trump's closet. Perhaps a pantyophile is amoung them.

It seems you have made an assessment of my political affiliation and attempted to discredit my comments as gullible.

Do you think most Americans are gullible enough to believe that this suspicious timing of the FBI raid is totally unrelated to Trump"s possible run for 2024 or the primaries? Or is it because of the complete failure of the Jan.6th committee?

25 minutes ago, heron said:

Wait for it ...

The affidavit?

Tisutina · Aug 20, 2022

1 hour ago, heron said:

I’ve always thought “defund the police” was flat out dumb. Subsequent clarifications modified the proposal considerably. Subject for another thread.

”a politicized agenda”? Are you suggesting that the law doesn’t apply to trump?

Yes, government secrets. And trump’s claim that they were “declassified” with no changes in the documents’ markings or notification of any staff involved with the handling of classified documents is impressive. His magic wand must be a lot better than mine. Or was it simply a focussed thought passing through his “stable genius” brain? (Which, BTW, is the definition of magic. Wonder what the theocrat wannabes think of that!)

He didn’t “declassify” squat - merely claimed to have done so when it became clear that neither the national archives were not backing off and that his year-long attempt to keep them was over.

Besides, none of the charges listed in the warrant require that the mishandled documents be classified, so what’s your point?

Wait for it …

The law does apply to Trump and almost every American. Except Hunter Biden apparently.

heron, ASN, RN · Aug 20, 2022

29 minutes ago, Tisutina said:

We will have to see the affidavit to determine if they had just cause to raid his home(if they release it). Especially why they found it necessary to look in Mrs. Trump's closet. Perhaps a pantyophile is amoung them.

It seems you have made an assessment of my political affiliation and attempted to discredit my comments as gullible.

Do you think most Americans are gullible enough to believe that this suspicious timing of the FBI raid is totally unrelated to Trump"s possible run for 2024 or the primaries? Or is it because of the complete failure of the Jan.6th committee?

The affidavit?

And there it is! The next paragraph in the fundraising playbook. Told ya!

Apparently, Trump doesn’t have to tolerate the normal course of a criminal investigation. Gives a whole new meaning to entitlement.

Timing is an interesting question, but moot at this point. We have no way of knowing until charges are filed how, when or most of why the investigation was started in the first place. What we know is a general timeline of the efforts by the national archives to get the documents returned, the charges outlined in the warrant and the receipt given to trumps lawyer with a list of what was seized. Everything else is fundraising.

Beerman, BSN · Aug 20, 2022

2 hours ago, Tisutina said:

Or is it the hypocrisy of the democrats critizing Republicans for wanting to "defund" "dismantle " the FBI when so many said the same in 2020 regarding police and did?

Yes. And it's only been a handful of Republicans, and the idea has been denounced by the rest.

Tisutina · Aug 20, 2022

3 minutes ago, heron said:

And there it is! The next paragraph in the fundraising playbook. Told ya!

Apparently, Trump doesn’t have to tolerate the normal course of a criminal investigation. Gives a whole new meaning to entitled.

And there it is! A deliberate attempt to discredit my reply by saying "there it is". Well is could have been anything.

I'll wait.....

macawake, MSN · Aug 20, 2022

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It appears that you have swallowed this latest Trump excuse for hoarding secret documents in his resort closets... that Trump somehow had a standing order for declassification of documents that none of his staff seemed to know about.

To be fair TMB, ”declassify” is what the man does instantly to any room the second he enters it ? It’s a gift…

Tisutina · Aug 20, 2022

3 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes. And it's only been a handful of Republicans, and the idea has been denounced by the rest.

I think the ones who did say it thought heck, if democrats can call for something as ridiculous as defunding police, we can say defend the FBI. I mean why not?

Kinda like "mostly peaceful protest" all 2020 Summer and "mostly peaceful protest" Jan.6th! It takes a special type of idocrisy to constantly set a precedent then defame the otherside for doing exactly what they did!

toomuchbaloney · Aug 21, 2022

3 hours ago, Tisutina said:

We will have to see the affidavit to determine if they had just cause to raid his home(if they release it). Especially why they found it necessary to look in Mrs. Trump's closet. Perhaps a pantyophile is amoung them.

It seems you have made an assessment of my political affiliation and attempted to discredit my comments as gullible.

Do you think most Americans are gullible enough to believe that this suspicious timing of the FBI raid is totally unrelated to Trump"s possible run for 2024 or the primaries? Or is it because of the complete failure of the Jan.6th committee?

The affidavit?

We don't really need to see the affidavit to presume that the warrant is appropriate. It was reviewed at the highest levels of the DOJ and Trump's discomfort is no reason to question Garland's judgement.

When looking for something that's being kept without permission it's common to look in places where things might be stored... like closets or storage rooms.

Well, if you believe and spread obvious lies and dishonest excuses then maybe you are gullible...

Why am I not surprised that this timing seems suspicious to you? That's weak logic to suggest that a possible candidacy is the reason for a raid to collect documents that he’s inappropriately hoarded since January of 2021. How suspicious it seems for the crowd that is certain that the election was stolen in some wild conspiracy. It would be funny if not so darn dangerous.

Here's the epitome of a failed committee(s); Benghazi. Compared to that debacle the January 6th hearings are wildly successful.

The affidavit is getting redacted as we interact. I'm certain that Trump's noise machine will take issue with that process and outcome also.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 21, 2022

4 hours ago, Tisutina said:

The law does apply to Trump and almost every American. Except Hunter Biden apparently.

As evidence by what exactly? Where is the evidence that the law applies to the indicted co-conspirator in a felony that sent the other guy to prison? Do you even know what I'm referencing?

toomuchbaloney · Aug 21, 2022

3 hours ago, Tisutina said:

I think the ones who did say it thought heck, if democrats can call for something as ridiculous as defunding police, we can say defend the FBI. I mean why not?

Kinda like "mostly peaceful protest" all 2020 Summer and "mostly peaceful protest" Jan.6th! It takes a special type of idocrisy to constantly set a precedent then defame the otherside for doing exactly what they did!

Sure, sure... those conservatives thought they should just follow the crowd... like sheep or something. I know right? Why not claim to be the party of law and order and then support law breaking and call for defunding the FBI when the law breaking is addressed in a common place fashion.

Do you know what hypocrisy is? It is winning about violence at the edges of otherwise peaceful protest and then excusing the violence that was the centerpiece of an attempt to overthrow our government behind the spectacle of a large and angry Trump rally. That's hypocrisy. Do you know what projection is and how it is used in interactions?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Aug 21, 2022

7 hours ago, Tisutina said:

Or is it the hypocrisy of the democrats critizing Republicans for wanting to "defund" "dismantle " the FBI when so many said the same in 2020 regarding police and did?

I didn't know a single Dem who wanted to defund the police...not a single one. The press made a big deal of a nothingburger. We didn't have legislators making a cause celeb of it.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Aug 21, 2022

5 hours ago, Tisutina said:

The law does apply to Trump and almost every American. Except Hunter Biden apparently.

What charge against Hunter Biden would you think is appropriate an winnable? If he can be convicted of a crime why hasn't an ambitious prosecutor done it already? There are plenty of them around.