What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

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32 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Your article mentions others.  Violent far right groups are number 1.  Violent far left is number 2.

"As shown in Figure 1, far-right terrorists committed 67 percent of attacks and plots, far-left terrorists committed 20 percent, and extremists with other motivations (such as supporters of the Boogaloo movement) and Salafi-jihadists each committed 7 percent."

Also from the article:

"Despite these findings, this violence needs to be understood in historical context. The number of fatalities from terrorist attacks in the U.S. homeland is still relatively small compared to some periods in U.S. history, making it important not to overstate the threat.7 Roughly half of the years since 1994 had a greater number of fatalities from terrorism than 2020—at least between January 1 and August 31, 2020. There were also no mass-casualty terrorist attacks, a stark contrast from such incidents as the April 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, which killed 168 people; the September 2001 attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people; and the June 2016 Orlando attack, which killed 49 people."

What about common sense Beerman? Who likes anarchy and violence? Who lacks the ability to think things through? Who is easily influenced? 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

3 hours ago, Beerman said:

The last sentence of the portion of the article you quoted goes to the point I was making:

"Despite these findings, however, the number of fatalities from domestic terrorism is relatively low compared to previous years."

Not sure how out of " Hogwash. I guess so.  But that isn't saying much.  What are the top 5 "biggest domestic terrorist " threats?" I was suppose to come to the conclusion that your point was while terrorist acts have increased fatalities are relatively low compared to previous years.

*shrughs shoulders* 

That reminds me of the people that say "why are we so afraid of covid when the death rate is really low".   The death rate is mercifully low, but the havoc to the health care system, the stress on staff and resources was a real thing and it was hard work to keep that death rate low.

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

3 hours ago, Beerman said:

Your article mentions others.  Violent far right groups are number 1.  Violent far left is number 2.

"As shown in Figure 1, far-right terrorists committed 67 percent of attacks and plots, far-left terrorists committed 20 percent, and extremists with other motivations (such as supporters of the Boogaloo movement) and Salafi-jihadists each committed 7 percent."

Also from the article:

"Despite these findings, this violence needs to be understood in historical context. The number of fatalities from terrorist attacks in the U.S. homeland is still relatively small compared to some periods in U.S. history, making it important not to overstate the threat.7 Roughly half of the years since 1994 had a greater number of fatalities from terrorism than 2020—at least between January 1 and August 31, 2020. There were also no mass-casualty terrorist attacks, a stark contrast from such incidents as the April 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, which killed 168 people; the September 2001 attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people; and the June 2016 Orlando attack, which killed 49 people."

Yes, which is why I brought up that some of the violence was Antifa.  But 67% belonging to right wing groups is concerning isn't it?  

Again, the low fatality rate undermines the violence and it's obvious that a year when 100's (or on 9/11 thousands) of people are killed in one attack we can look back and say "well, 2020 wasn't that bad at least and hooray for only five people dying in the Capitol riots and not having any mass casualty terrorist incidents."

I might add domestic terrorism isn't high on my list of concerns.  I would rate mass shootings and gun violence way higher.

[Beerman, BSN]

44 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Not sure how out of " Hogwash. I guess so.  But that isn't saying much.  What are the top 5 "biggest domestic terrorist " threats?" I was suppose to come to the conclusion that your point was while terrorist acts have increased fatalities are relatively low compared to previous years.

*shrughs shoulders* 

That reminds me of the people that say "why are we so afraid of covid when the death rate is really low".   The death rate is mercifully low, but the havoc to the health care system, the stress on staff and resources was a real thing and it was hard work to keep that death rate low.

 

The "hogwash" comment was to a reply to a whole different statement, which makes me wonder just how closely you read my comments.  

Your article also says " it's important to not overstate the threat." Your analogy to covid falls short.  Everyone knows multiple people who have had covid.  Hardly anyone knows anyone who has been a victim of white supremacist violence.

42 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I might add domestic terrorism isn't high on my list of concerns.  I would rate mass shootings and gun violence way higher.

I agree.

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31 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Yes, which is why I brought up that some of the violence was Antifa.  But 67% belonging to right wing groups is concerning isn't it?  

Again, the low fatality rate undermines the violence and it's obvious that a year when 100's (or on 9/11 thousands) of people are killed in one attack we can look back and say "well, 2020 wasn't that bad at least and hooray for only five people dying in the Capitol riots and not having any mass casualty terrorist incidents."

I might add domestic terrorism isn't high on my list of concerns.  I would rate mass shootings and gun violence way higher.

In the House hearings yesterday FBI Director Wray stated that the 0106 attack on the capital meets all the criteria to be called a domestic terrorist attack.  That means that Trump helped to plan and populate that terror event.  Republicans helped to rally the emotions of the attendees to the level that would encourage law breaking. Republicans in Congress are making excuses for amd minimizing a domestic terrorist attack on our republic.  

Its interesting to listen to the Trumpublican approach to this inquiry. They were unified yesterday in the notion that the 0106 attack was terrible simply because the police were incompetent, in their view.  They seem to believe that the best way to prevent further or similar attacks is not to understand who and what inspired the seditionists but rather to complain that the police were incompetent.  

It's still interesting that the intelligence for the BLM protests in the Summer resulted in a very hardened federal force standing in a show of power...while intelligence for 0106, which was clearly representative of organized violent intent, just didn't really get any attention in those last days of the Trump administration.  It's odd, isn't it? Literally everyone knew that there was shenanigans planned for 0106 but the FBI and national security professionals in the last Trump days just couldn't see the need for a heightened and coordinated security plan.  Even the PARLER executives notified the FBI of the dangerous talk on their platform. 

[toomuchbaloney]

3 minutes ago, Beerman said:

The "hogwash" comment was to a reply to a whole different statement, which makes me wonder just how closely you read my comments.  

Your article also says " it's important to not overstate the threat." Your analogy to covid falls short.  Everyone knows multiple people who have had covid.  Hardly anyone knows anyone who has been a victim of white supremacist violence.

I agree.

Hardly anyone that you know of apparently.  I have a friend whose son was murdered by a white supremacist.  I guess if it doesn't affect white people personally It's not really a thing, is that what your point is?

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

25 minutes ago, Beerman said:

The "hogwash" comment was to a reply to a whole different statement, which makes me wonder just how closely you read my comments.  

Your article also says " it's important to not overstate the threat." Your analogy to covid falls short.  Everyone knows multiple people who have had covid.  Hardly anyone knows anyone who has been a victim of white supremacist violence.

I agree.

I knew what the hogwash statement was about the idea that Fox News is racist in agenda.  Perhaps rather than using the whole quote I should have left that part out.

I'll stand by my analogy about people being unconcerned about covid because of the low death rate but appreciate your input and opinion.

[Beerman, BSN]

29 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's still interesting that the intelligence for the BLM protests in the Summer resulted in a very hardened federal force standing in a show of power...while intelligence for 0106, which was clearly representative of organized violent intent, just didn't really get any attention in those last days of the Trump administration.  It's odd, isn't it? Literally everyone knew that there was shenanigans planned for 0106 but the FBI and national security professionals in the last Trump days just couldn't see the need for a heightened and coordinated security plan.  Even the PARLER executives notified the FBI of the dangerous talk on their platform. 

Perhaps this will enlighten you.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

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In June, Black Lives Matter demonstrators were met with a massive show of force from police and federal officers. The Trump insurrection that stormed the Capitol didn’t receive similar treatment. 

I think this is the point.  Regardless of what went on behind the scenes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-07/trump-rioters-weren-t-policed-like-BLM-protesters

[toomuchbaloney]

8 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Perhaps this will enlighten you.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri

That's old news.  Maybe it enlightened you.  

[toomuchbaloney]

The Crazy Caucus Presser Starring MTG

Holy hell. The content starts at 11:25.

The fully disgraced congresswoman, who just recently learned that the Holocaust was a real bit of facist horror, had decided that Fauci must be fired and has sponsored legislation to make that happen.  The lineup included people like Gosar from AZ who believes that the seditionist who died while breaching a barricade in the Capitol was murdered by the armed officer paid to protect people like him.  The weirdness is so accepted within Trumpublican politics that it's hard to take anyone seriously who identifies with that. 

During the Q&A the press learned that they were in the room with unmasked and unvaccinated republican legislators.  

 

[toomuchbaloney]

‘Pure insanity’: How Trump and his allies pressured the Justice Department to help overturn the election - Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/trump-justice-department-2020-election/

This is a pretty detailed look at Trump's attempt to subvert our republic in a corrupt coup attempt.  

What most disturbs me, I think, is the inability of the ranking members of our DOJ and FBI to honestly name what they allowed to unfold under Trump's authority.  Its pretty dangerous when our most existential threat as a country is ignored or minimized by the people who are charged with protecting the constitution and republic. IMV

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In the last weeks of 2020 and the first of 2021, the demands from Trump and his allies pushed the department to the brink of crisis. Though most scoffed at their increasingly far-fetched and desperate claims, one relatively high-ranking Justice Department lawyer seemed to entertain Trump’s requests — pushing internally to have the department assert that fraud in Georgia was cause for that state’s lawmakers to disregard its election results and appoint new electors. Trump contemplated installing him as attorney general, as other Justice Department leaders considered resigning en masse.

These professionals "scoffed" in the face of a direct threat from the 45th president (who had lost his election) and his partisan backers. 

They scoffed. 

They didn't sound an alarm.  They didn't correctly identify threat.  They still have trouble calling the events what they are...un-American, unconstitutional and a serious threat to our republic that CONTINUES AND EVEN GROWS today.