What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Justlookingfornow · May 21, 2022

6 hours ago, subee said:

Yes, it is a now a rant. If a Dr. disapproves of doing an abortion then they don't have to participate. So who cares ? No one is forced to participate...ver. Secondly, I would like to see evidence of an OR team that participated in the murder of an healthy infant.

I wouldn't like to see evidence of that ever!

I'll have to read it again but I do believe there is a section in the Womans Health Act that does and of course vagually include that providers would not be permitted to refuse a service.

Justlookingfornow · May 21, 2022

Might I say, being accused of a "rant" by TMB is quite the oxymoron in it's self! I have been just looking for a while and rants if conservative corruption and all bad Trump and propaganda and right wing media is abound on these threads.

However he may post as he pleases and I enjoy reading them.

So if my post have become too much like a rant, please know it because it's something I care about and take the time to write. I will take effort to make them less so.

Justlookingfornow · May 21, 2022

3 hours ago, Tweety said:

There's no doubt with this one issue Democrats will capitalize on it as a mid-term issue. Because it is. Also not sure what you mean by not concentrating on what will happen next. Like I've said they are talking about keeping abortion rights active, safe and legal. What happens next is what they are doing, assuring the public that abortion will remain intact in their states, in Republican lead states Democrats are voicing their concerns, and senators attempted to make a national law allowing abortion. They will take this message on the campaign trail.

States like Washington have taken some steps like earlier this year prohibiting prosecuting someone getting an abortion or someone helping them in response to laws being passed in Texas. No move to move the gestation age up since the leak came up.

Yes, there are some people that want abortion for any reason any time. Most of those people aren't in power to make laws.

Likewise there are people that want cases of rape and incest to be forced into full term pregnancy. But even Oklahoma that banned abortions has provisions for this. And getting all too bent out of shape about this aspect doesn't make much sense.

It makes sense at least for me, because saving life is a very important idea for me.

I have said before, in a perfect world we would never want or need to end a pregnancy. I do believe something unique occurs at conception and life happens very soon after that.

However I also understand that women will seek out abortion that could cause a end to her life if safe options are not available. I value her life just as much.

So I support abortion for some cases. Rare, safe and legal. The rare has become often.

It may seem silly to some that me and Beerman are so caught up on the potential that a viable baby would been terminated for convenience. However would you not be concerned that any child's life may be lost especially with vague laws?

Just because it's not likely that a child may fall and suffer a brain injury riding a bike without a helmet, doesn't mean we do not inact a law for it.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 21, 2022

2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

However would you not be concerned that any child's life may be lost especially with vague laws?

What vague laws are lawmakers proposing that have you concerned? Several states have passed bills, such as Colorado to maintain the status quo but not with new laws. So can you clarify further please?

Colorado is one of the few states that has late term abortion already. I've already given my position about that. Apparently lawmakers sent it to public vote to stop late term abortions but they failed as the public approved. So I do understand what you and Beerman are saying that "some people want late term abortions" and if it's allowed people will seek it to terminate an unwanted pregnancy of a healthy fetus and healthy mother, but I'm not seeing states that disallow it seeking to now allow it. Am I missing something?

toomuchbaloney · May 21, 2022

2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Might I say, being accused of a "rant" by TMB is quite the oxymoron in it's self!

Did I accuse you of ranting?

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 21, 2022

3 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

He's being hypocritical of wanting to preserve life of children because of some obviously evil people who claimed to be believers in the Catholic faith did some atrocious things?

So he should just be okay with abortion? Perhaps he should just take a passive stance on pedophilia? You know because some people did something?

I hear what you are saying about the Catholic church. They have many historic issues but to say they now should be supportive of abortion well that's hypocritical itself. Many people of many religions committed atrocities, do who the entire faith responsible?

If you read my post, you would have known that I specifically gave the caveat that thus was not an anti Catholic statement . I am aware of the work Catholic Charities does and I support them. The treatment of live children has nothing to do with abortion and you are being tone deaf to what people are saying here. Done and done. I feel like I'm banging my head against a robot with a script.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 21, 2022

3 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Did I accuse you of ranting?

It wouldn't be an insult to me. I love to rant.

No Stars In My Eyes, LPN · May 21, 2022

Thought I'd drop these in the bucket:

(words by @theuprisingspark):

"Life decisions are not one dimensional, especially ones as huge as creating a new life. The decision making factors like mental health, personal preference, capacity, financial situation, maturity, support system, past triggers and traumas, politics, etc. mixes with outside pressure or support to result in heavy decisions with a ripple effect. It is impossible to generalize and it's horrible to judge someone else. All we can do is show compassion and be kind."

(and from artist lainey.molnar):

"I rarely get political, but it it time--- It's not only our bodies, it's our health and mental health, it's our limits freedom, possibilities and our entire future. (She goes on to say:).........I personally think every reason to have an abortion is a valid one, because parenthood is the biggest responsibility a human being can have. Parenthood should be taken on voluntarily and consciously so that child can be provided with all emotional and material resources they need, while parents get to keep their own emotional and material balance, too."

(also by artist lainey.molnar):

"Any political agenda that focuses on the rights of unborn fetuses instead of fixing health care, education, housing, systemic racism, sexism, maternity leave, homelessness, poverty, and the lack of mental health care to make life livable for all children born... (without those fixes) it is just smoke and mirrors manipulation and they don't care about children at all."

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{And just as a PS: I am not for late term abortions and I stand with Planned Parenthood, and laws as set forth by Roe vs. Wade}

Justlookingfornow · May 22, 2022

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Did I accuse you of ranting?

It seems you did not. It was another member quoting your post. I stand corrected.

Justlookingfornow · May 22, 2022

1 hour ago, subee said:

If you read my post, you would have known that I specifically gave the caveat that thus was not an anti Catholic statement . I am aware of the work Catholic Charities does and I support them. The treatment of live children has nothing to do with abortion and you are being tone deaf to what people are saying here. Done and done. I feel like I'm banging my head against a robot with a script.

Yes. You specifically said that you were not being anticatholic and them made a comment that sounded anticatholic. Exactly, abortion does not have anything to do with alive children. That's why the claim that, "conservatives, priest, whomever don't really care about children that are alive" is irrelevant. Because it's not about children that are born.

Justlookingfornow · May 22, 2022

46 minutes ago, No Stars In My Eyes said:

Thought I'd drop these in the bucket:

(words by @theuprisingspark):

"Life decisions are not one dimensional, especially ones as huge as creating a new life. The decision making factors like mental health, personal preference, capacity, financial situation, maturity, support system, past triggers and traumas, politics, etc. mixes with outside pressure or support to result in heavy decisions with a ripple effect. It is impossible to generalize and it's horrible to judge someone else. All we can do is show compassion and be kind."

(and from artist lainey.molnar):

"I rarely get political, but it it time--- It's not only our bodies, it's our health and mental health, it's our limits freedom, possibilities and our entire future. (She goes on to say:).........I personally think every reason to have an abortion is a valid one, because parenthood is the biggest responsibility a human being can have. Parenthood should be taken on voluntarily and consciously so that child can be provided with all emotional and material resources they need, while parents get to keep their own emotional and material balance, too."

(also by artist lainey.molnar):

"Any political agenda that focuses on the rights of unborn fetuses instead of fixing health care, education, housing, systemic racism, sexism, maternity leave, homelessness, poverty, and the lack of mental health care to make life livable for all children born... (without those fixes) it is just smoke and mirrors manipulation and they don't care about children at all."

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{And just as a PS: I am not for late term abortions and I stand with Planned Parenthood, and laws as set forth by Roe vs. Wade}

"I personally think every reason to have an abortion is a valid one........".

So this would include an abortion in later pregnancy for other than maternal health/life (we already established this is not abortion, but early birth).

I do not usually speculate but I imagine this same person,if asked, if any reason for terminating a pregnancy post viability is valid?

This person most likely would not answer the question and/or just repete what she just said. "I personally think every reason to have an abortion is a valid one.....". Or "I trust the decision of the women and their Dr" or something like that. But never actually saying an abortion for convenience post viablility is not a valid reason.

Justlookingfornow · May 22, 2022

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

What vague laws are lawmakers proposing that have you concerned? Several states have passed bills, such as Colorado to maintain the status quo but not with new laws. So can you clarify further please?

Colorado is one of the few states that has late term abortion already. I've already given my position about that. Apparently lawmakers sent it to public vote to stop late term abortions but they failed as the public approved. So I do understand what you and Beerman are saying that "some people want late term abortions" and if it's allowed people will seek it to terminate an unwanted pregnancy of a healthy fetus and healthy mother, but I'm not seeing states that disallow it seeking to now allow it. Am I missing something?

Perhaps this will clarify my concerns.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/10/democrats-proving-to-be-real-extremists-abortion-roe-v-wade/

From WaPo

" It’s pretty clear to most Americans that a child who can live outside of a mother’s body shouldn’t be killed. The fact that too many Democrats can’t say that without fear of getting ambushed by the left speaks volumes about today’s Democratic Party."

"That Democrats are preparing to utterly ignore this counsel is instructive. They are pushing no-limit abortion policy either because they are afraid of their base or because they believe in it. Either way, that’s not the leadership Americans want".