What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

27 minutes ago, subee said:

But Carville is right, IMHO.  We have to WIN elections and extreme wokeness doesn't help the cause.  I recently tuned in to a zoom for a person running for a local political position and some of the participants (including the woman running) had preferred gender designations attached to their images.  My first thought was "get over yourselves!" and let's just concentrate on getting a Democrat into the position by making some proposals that would benefit the public.

You allowed yourself to get distracted by something as simple as respecting people's gender preferences.  This was probably a minor minuscule part of that persons message.  The right is also good at this and making a big deal of it.  

But I also agree it's a distraction that might not help the cause of Democrats.  It's a sad day when acknowledging and being respectful of minorities is a liability and causes the message to get lost.

 

6 minutes ago, Beerman said:

The definition of reparation from Oxford: the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.

Why else announce ahead of time that the nominee will be a black woman?

Okay, you've changed my mind and I do agree then because I feel he did it to right the wrong of there not being an African American woman on the Supreme Court he did it for reparations.  Not financial amends but "otherwise helping those who have been wronged".

You seem to think this is a negative.  

I also think he did it for the votes.  It worked, after the debates with Sanders the African American vote swung his way and he won the nomination when he wasn't really a front runner.

 

12 minutes ago, Beerman said:

The definition of reparation from Oxford: the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.

Why else announce ahead of time that the nominee will be a black woman?

So, using your logic, what wrong that the judge endured was addressed in the reparation of her nomination? Or, what wrong are you associating with the nomination that you are calling reparation? 

Why not announce that intention to end a habit of ignoring qualified black females for the Supreme Court? Is it wrong for liberals to speak of plans that excite their voting base?

Schools nationwide are quietly removing books from their libraries

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/03/22/school-librarian-book-bans-challenges/

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Eight titles had melted away seemingly overnight, a panicked school aide told Hull, from the shelves of an elementary school in one of the 22 districts Hull oversees as co-chair of a group representing school librarians in Pennsylvania’s Lancaster and Lebanon counties. The books included titles such as “In My Mosque,” which instructs children about Islam; “A Place Inside of Me,” which explores a Black student’s reckoning with a police shooting; and “When Aidan Became a Brother,” whose main character is a transgender boy.

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Slowly — over months of meetings, investigations and secret conversations with fearful librarians across her counties — she came to understand the disturbing reality. Administrators, afraid of attracting controversy, were quietly removing books from library shelves before they could be challenged.
“There’s two battles going on at once,” Hull said, referring to parallel pushes from parents who want titles stricken and from school officials who are removing books preemptively. “And it’s been really difficult to fight both of those.”

A culture of fear and intimidation has been created. 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

About being too woke regarding gender labels and pronouns.  It is a very small minority but more people are nonbinary these days.   About 1.2 million.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/23/us/nonbinary-survey-study-number-trnd-wellness/index.html

Also Gen Z, a huge voting block, thinks that gender norms are outdated.

https://www.advocate.com/business/2021/2/24/study-half-gen-z-believes-gender-binary-outdated

https://hbr.org/2020/04/companies-cant-ignore-shifting-gender-norms
 

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More than 12% of U.S. millennials identify as transgender or gender non-conforming, and a majority believe that gender is a spectrum rather than a man/woman binary. Compared to millennials, Gen Z’s views on gender are even more advanced. In the U.S., 56% know someone who uses a gender neutral pronoun and 59% believe forms should include options other than “man” and “woman.” Globally, 25% of Gen Zers expect to change their gender identity at least once during their lifetime.

 

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Why are pronouns important? Pronouns are important because, by using a person's pronouns correctly, other people are showing them respect and forming an inclusive environment. It is important to never assume a person's pronouns.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/gender-pronouns

 

While it might be too much for the far right too handle and be mocked as being "woke", the world is changing and nothing wrong with taking a stance and being on what I feel is the future and the right side of history.

Our country has a history of beating down those that try to rise up and be considered equal and respected.  

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

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Former president Donald Trump filed a lawsuit Thursday against former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee and others, alleging that they “maliciously conspired to weave a false narrative” that his campaign colluded with Russia during the 2016 presidential race.

Trump claims that he incurred expenses of more than $24 million in defending himself against the accusations. He is seeking damages of three times that amount in the lawsuit, which comes more than five years after he defeated Clinton in the November 2016 election.

If it were anyone but Trump I might respect this accusation.  But to me I nearly spit out my coffee because he's the master at weaving a false narrative.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/24/trump-sues-hillary-clinton-others-over-2016-election-he-won/?fbclid=IwAR0nP9UzGC-rCqob9lbh-AcQvSGn1d5KmrBQjbT2PcflmCnuF3APr5jzzPY

[Beerman, BSN]

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

About being too woke regarding gender labels and pronouns.  It is a very small minority but more people are nonbinary these days.   About 1.2 million.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/23/us/nonbinary-survey-study-number-trnd-wellness/index.html

Also Gen Z, a huge voting block, thinks that gender norms are outdated.

https://www.advocate.com/business/2021/2/24/study-half-gen-z-believes-gender-binary-outdated

https://hbr.org/2020/04/companies-cant-ignore-shifting-gender-norms
 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/gender-pronouns

 

While it might be too much for the far right too handle and be mocked as being "woke", the world is changing and nothing wrong with taking a stance and being on what I feel is the future and the right side of history.

Our country has a history of beating down those that try to rise up and be considered equal and respected.  

 

In the course of my job, I interact with transgender teens occasionally.  I'm always respectful and use their preferred name.

Last Summer, I worked with a trans man.  I always tried to use her preferred pronoun.

So, I am respectful. 

That being said...

First of all, pronouns generally aren't used when the person is around.

we have politicians putting out their preferred pronoun on TV appearances.  

My coworker was 6'4", manly voice, and beard stubble.   I often went with the wrong pronoun.  Not on purpose, but talked like a man, manly physical features, and biologiclly is a man.  So, the male pronouns naturally came out.  When I caught myself, I corrected myself, even though she wasn't around and would never know.

And, then add in those whose preferred pronoun is "they".

It all seems silly.  Add that into the buckey of reasons the woke crowd gets mocked.

 

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

In the course of my job, I interact with transgender teens occasionally.  I'm always respectful and use their preferred name.

Last Summer, I worked with a trans man.  I always tried to use her preferred pronoun.

So, I am respectful. 

That being said...

First of all, pronouns generally aren't used when the person is around.

we have politicians putting out their preferred pronoun on TV appearances.  

My coworker was 6'4", manly voice, and beard stubble.   I often went with the wrong pronoun.  Not on purpose, but talked like a man, manly physical features, and biologiclly is a man.  So, the male pronouns naturally came out.  When I caught myself, I corrected myself, even though she wasn't around and would never know.

And, then add in those whose preferred pronoun is "they".

It all seems silly.  Add that into the buckey of reasons the woke crowd gets mocked.

 

Again, the "woke" crowd gets mocked because that's how those opposed to "wokeness" prefer to engage. 

Wouldn't a trans man typically prefer he/him as their pronouns? Maybe you were describing a trans woman. You'll get used to it with more exposure. We just have to slow down and think about what we are saying. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

6 hours ago, Tweety said:

You allowed yourself to get distracted by something as simple as respecting people's gender preferences.  This was probably a minor minuscule part of that persons message.  The right is also good at this and making a big deal of it.  

But I also agree it's a distraction that might not help the cause of Democrats.  It's a sad day when acknowledging and being respectful of minorities is a liability and causes the message to get lost.

 

Okay, you've changed my mind and I do agree then because I feel he did it to right the wrong of there not being an African American woman on the Supreme Court he did it for reparations.  Not financial amends but "otherwise helping those who have been wronged".

You seem to think this is a negative.  

I also think he did it for the votes.  It worked, after the debates with Sanders the African American vote swung his way and he won the nomination when he wasn't really a front runner.

 

The active Democrats here are a small group; much smaller than the number of people who vote Democratic.  Many of us already know each other.  Not a Them in the group.  This silliness in our little piece of land draws attention from the fact that we do not have a single idea proposed here except to be nice to people.  Not one proposal has been proposed by the official group on how to spend our Covid money because that is controversial and it is hard but somehow we have to distinguish ourselves from the Republicans besides being tolerant.  We already KNOW that because the mayor is gay and it's a very gay friendly town.  Let's move on to to the hand of fecal cards that we are dealt in these times and actually do whatever it takes to win with an actual agenda that might attract a few disillusioned people from the dark side.  We  Democrats don't have to be reminded to treat people kindly regardless of gender preference, color, etc.   I am, however, still wondering how I would have felt if I were still swimming the 100 meter butterfly event and had to compete with a 6' woman with twice my muscle mass. I'm too polite to make a fuss but I think I would just switch to diving events only:)

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

 It all seems silly.  Add that into the buckey of reasons the woke crowd gets mocked.

At least you're respectful when you come across people in real life.

What seems silly really to me is just a matter of respect.  Nonbinary people who want to be called "they/them" just want to be acknowledged. 

You might find it justified to mock the "buckey" (that might be a regional term, but I take it you mean "many" reasons?) of reasons, but I say that when mocking things such as preferred pronouns is a convenient way of dismissing marginalized people.  

We won't agree.  You've made your point.

4 minutes ago, subee said:

The active Democrats here are a small group; much smaller than the number of people who vote Democratic.  Many of us already know each other.  Not a Them in the group.  This silliness in our little piece of land draws attention from the fact that we do not have a single idea proposed here except to be nice to people.  Not one proposal has been proposed by the official group on how to spend our Covid money because that is controversial and it is hard but somehow we have to distinguish ourselves from the Republicans besides being tolerant.  We already KNOW that because the mayor is gay and it's a very gay friendly town.  Let's move on to to the hand of fecal cards that we are dealt in these times and actually do whatever it takes to win with an actual agenda that might attract a few disillusioned people from the dark side.  We  Democrats don't have to be reminded to treat people kindly regardless of gender preference, color, etc.   I am, however, still wondering how I would have felt if I were still swimming the 100 meter butterfly event and had to compete with a 6' woman with twice my muscle mass. I'm too polite to make a fuss but I think I would just switch to diving events only:)

I understand.  Odd they would gather and discuss nothing.   
Here in Florida the Democrats don't have their act together but at least they bring something to the table other than "how to be nice to people".   

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

7 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So, using your logic, what wrong that the judge endured was addressed in the reparation of her nomination? Or, what wrong are you associating with the nomination that you are calling reparation? 

Why not announce that intention to end a habit of ignoring qualified black females for the Supreme Court? Is it wrong for liberals to speak of plans that excite their voting base?

Exactly, TMB.  Making promises is part of running for office and why call out any politician that would promise something so benign? It's a great day every time we knock down barriers for people who aren't straight, white or Christian.  It's not the 1950's anymore in America outside of some rural areas who haven't had to evolve yet but they are the rare places.

[Beerman, BSN]

59 minutes ago, Tweety said:

 least you're respectful when you come across people in real life.

What seems silly really to me is just a matter of respect.  Nonbinary people who want to be called "they/them" just want to be acknowledged. 

You might find it justified to mock the "buckey" (that might be a regional term, but I take it you mean "many" reasons?) of reasons, but I say that when mocking things such as preferred pronouns is a convenient way of dismissing marginalized people.  

It was supposed to be "bucket".

I understand, and am willing to acknowledge.  But, if they stop making a big deal out of pronouns, including a singlular person insisting on being called "they", and quit pretending a male swimmer competing with women is comparable to Jackie Robinson, people would probably take them more seriously. 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

10 minutes ago, Beerman said:

It was supposed to be "bucket".

I understand, and am willing to acknowledge.  But, if they stop making a big deal out of pronouns, including a singlular person insisting on being called "they", and quit pretending a male swimmer competing with women is comparable to Jackie Robinson, people would probably take them more seriously. 

LOL...I don't know why that didn't dawn on me that you were saying bucket.  

Just like when I was a teenager and was told to "tone it down" so I wouldn't be bullied and if I got bullied it was my own fault.  You're asking people to silence their truth to make it acceptable to  someone else.   

I'm woke and don't care if I'm mocked.  I will continue to believe what I believe and say what I want to say.

I understand you feel a person can't be a "they" or a man can't be a woman.  

The swimmer has been defeated by other cisgendered women and isn't all that good and is no Jackie Robinson in skill.  But she's similar in that she's broken a barrier and is booed.  Interesting that people suddenly care about women's sports. 

https://www.ladbible.com/news/latest-data-indicates-trans-swimmer-lia-thomas-doesnt-have-advantage-20220324