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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Its not really an "outlier" in this current era for public health workers to receive threats of violence alongside the harassment from angry conservatives. It's another example of gullible people influenced by angry propaganda and then deciding to take some action on those feelings of anger.  There has been widespread reporting on it. 

 

There recently was a graphic violent threat here from a liberal to a conservative.  You called it a "angry post ", and said the victim was "whining".

It seems then you're only concerned about threats and harrassment when the discussion favors your political agenda.

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1 hour ago, subee said:

Who is still being mandated at this point?  Is this a real issue?  Why would you even mention that Omicron is still transmissible with vaccinated people?  Of course it's true but what does that add to fact that all people should be vaccinated.  That is part of the right wing script that vaccines are useless.

At this point perhaps you're right since Biden withdrew his push for mandates for large employers when the Supreme Court shut him down.  I'm not sure where people are mandated to be vaccinated since I live in Florida where they state health department today recommended that there is no need for children to be vaccinated and there have never been restrictions on the unvaccinated for the most part.

I don't appreciate the spin you put on what I was saying as being right wing rhetoric but I can't tell you how to think.

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Opponents of mandates are seizing on early evidence that shows vaccines are not as effective at stopping transmission of the new strain, which they say undermines the administration's key arguments for championing them. 

Many U.S. airlines require their employees to be fully vaccinated, and anti-mandate groups claimed that hundreds of otherwise-healthy crew members were sidelined, unable to help alleviate the worst of the shortages because of their vaccination status. 

Administration officials have cast vaccine mandates for health workers, and mandate-or-test requirements for large employers, as essential tools to get more people vaccinated.  

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/587786-health-care

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3 hours ago, Tweety said:

I think that's a subjective view for the WaPo to say "many" when describing the crowd.  But don't blame them for including them in the article.  I think it is a habit of the press to describe the fringe at protests.  They get the attention. 

Kind of like the drag queens and go go boys always get the press at Pride parades.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/paulmcleod/trucker-convoy-washington-dc-beltway?fbclid=IwAR1xHzJ1X6pMB2TlTlMNdSozEd9TTzkyvNypfRe5gxC18iipBd5gP14J4dE

I only asked for corraboration because that poster who linked that WaPo article seems unable to accept pieces of reporting from other sources only if a liberal source will also report it. 

There was much discussion over a benign quote in a Fox article that wasn't "corraborated" by other sources.

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55 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The dark, unsettling truths behind Biden’s reluctance to ban Russian oil 

I think the pressure is just too great on him not to ban Russian oil.  Any consequences that Republicans try to pin on him later he can point out that it was their idea too and he was hesitant.  But I think he's going to cave soon.   

Also I read a poll where 80% of people support banning the oil.  There is overwhelming support for Ukraine and Americans aren't going to mind aggressive on Biden's part.

I agree with Beerman that he can use this an an opportunity to try to increase domestic production, but also highlight that our dependence on oil should be lessened and alternatives to oil that are green (noticed I didn't say cheaper) should be continued to be explored.

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6 minutes ago, Beerman said:

There was much discussion over a benign quote in a Fox article that wasn't "corraborated" by other sources.

Yeah it's interesting that we believe the press we trust even if they are the only one's reporting something but will attack a press we don't trust when they are the only one's saying it.

Human nature I suppose.  

Unless it's something outrageous and unbelievable I don't always look for a story to be "corroborated" if it's from a source I trust.  Often I do trust Fox News.  They are often the only one's making a big deal out of something, but they aren't lying.  

 

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31 minutes ago, Beerman said:

There recently was a graphic violent threat here from a liberal to a conservative.  You called it a "angry post ", and said the victim was "whining".

It seems then you're only concerned about threats and harrassment when the discussion favors your political agenda.

Yep. I considered your complaint whining after that rude spectacle you created over a stutter that provoked the father of a stutterer. You're still whining about an anonymous "threat" and now you're comparing that to actual harassment and threats to known people at their places of work over nonsense that they gleaned from their conservative media. 

 

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33 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Here's the poll I mentioned above.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-americans-broadly-support-ukraine-no-fly-zone-russia-oil-ban-poll-2022-03-04/

As the article mentions, the no-fly zone is a bit trickier. 

In a related matter, this here is nuts:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-may-travel-to-saudi-arabia-in-quest-for-oil-report-says-as-russia-ban-remains-possibility

 

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27 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I think the pressure is just too great on him not to ban Russian oil.  Any consequences that Republicans try to pin on him later he can point out that it was their idea too and he was hesitant.  But I think he's going to cave soon.   

Also I read a poll where 80% of people support banning the oil.  There is overwhelming support for Ukraine and Americans aren't going to mind aggressive on Biden's part.

I agree with Beerman that he can use this an an opportunity to try to increase domestic production, but also highlight that our dependence on oil should be lessened and alternatives to oil that are green (noticed I didn't say cheaper) should be continued to be explored.

He may ban Russian oil. Congress could ban that import also, but we certainly can't count on them to take any decisive or quick action, and none of the very vocal senators seem inspired to ask the American companies to stop importing that oil.  Those companies have placed their profits above peace and public sentiment in deciding to continue to access that russian oil...they'll need government mandates to change course it appears. It's curious that public sentiment isn't turned against the corporations that are the buyers.

Oil production companies are sitting on a hoard of undrilled leases.  There's room for them to increase production...who wants to best that they'll want financial incentives to do so as they make historic bank on today's oil?

 

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7 minutes ago, Beerman said:

As the article mentions, the no-fly zone is a bit trickier. 

In a related matter, this here is nuts:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-may-travel-to-saudi-arabia-in-quest-for-oil-report-says-as-russia-ban-remains-possibility

 

The relationship with Saudi Arabia has long been a tricky and some hypocritical one.  There's no denying with their trillion dollar oil fields they are better friend than foe.  We've profited greatly with their business with our military industrial complex.  We are their biggest trading partner and there is a surplus on the US side. 

Biden looking to solve the immediate needs for energy is not as nuts as it sounds as they have oil in the here and now.   But I do hope in the long run he tried to boost production here at home. 

Even so gas prices are rising by the minute.  Again, this highlights our need to get out of the oil business.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60642786

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

At this point perhaps you're right since Biden withdrew his push for mandates for large employers when the Supreme Court shut him down.  I'm not sure where people are mandated to be vaccinated since I live in Florida where they state health department today recommended that there is no need for children to be vaccinated and there have never been restrictions on the unvaccinated for the most part.

I don't appreciate the spin you put on what I was saying as being right wing rhetoric but I can't tell you how to think.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/587786-health-care

This article has nothing to do whether vaccines are effective.  It is about us giving up even  trying to get people vaxxed anymore because rhe right will use the fact that vaxxed people can still get Omicron as a pretext that vaccines are useless.  We are free to roam now  because of vaccines, not in spite if it.  Are you saying that Florida's policies are based on logic rather than political ideology?  

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1 hour ago, subee said:

This article has nothing to do whether vaccines are effective.  It is about us giving up even  trying to get people vaxxed anymore because rhe right will use the fact that vaxxed people can still get Omicron as a pretext that vaccines are useless.  We are free to roam now  because of vaccines, not in spite if it.  Are you saying that Florida's policies are based on logic rather than political ideology?  

Again with the spinning.  I never said anything about what Florida's policies are based on.

But I'm done with you.  Thanks for the discussion anyway.

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