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1 hour ago, chare said:

Really?  Interesting.

As I wrote, I find it more telling that none of those in attendance, as far as I'm aware, have denied it. 

ETA: Like you, I'm somewhat skeptical that this statement was actually made.  Particularly considering, and I apologize for not having the link, a recent report I read of the U. S. Increasing aid to Ukraine as far back as December.

And, in addition to the fact that no one has denied, I find it more interesting that no one has confirmed it either.

What's interesting about not rushing to believe what was first published by two media outlets known for inaccurate and biased reporting that appears to be based upon a tweet. The other two articles likely were basing their reporting on the tweet AND the echo chamber reporting of Fox and the NYPost. In the absence of actual corroboration...an attendee confirming the statements as true, I just note the reporting without commitment to belief.   More people should do that. 

32 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

What's interesting about not rushing to believe what was first published by two media outlets known for inaccurate and biased reporting that appears to be based upon a tweet. ...

I agree, and am typically leery of information available only from limited sources.  What I found interesting was your dismissal of Salon and the Independent, both of which are occasionally used by some on this site.

37 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

... The other two articles likely were basing their reporting on the tweet AND the echo chamber reporting of Fox and the NYPost. ...

I find it difficult to think that either Salon or the Independent would source anything from either Fox News or the NY Post, including Ms. Laco's unsourced Tweet

48 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

... In the absence of actual corroboration...an attendee confirming the statements as true, I just note the reporting without commitment to belief. ...

I have always been leery of unsourced or anonymously sourced articles.  And yes, it would be a simple matter for one of the 280 that were in attendance to either confirm or deny this.

56 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

... More people should do that. 

I couldn't agree with this more.

40 minutes ago, chare said:

I agree, and am typically leery of information available only from limited sources.  What I found interesting was your dismissal of Salon and the Independent, both of which are occasionally used by some on this site.

I find it difficult to think that either Salon or the Independent would source anything from either Fox News or the NY Post, including Ms. Laco's unsourced Tweet

I have always been leery of unsourced or anonymously sourced articles.  And yes, it would be a simple matter for one of the 280 that were in attendance to either confirm or deny this.

I couldn't agree with this more.

I didn't necessarily have any concern about Salon or Independent...I just note that they didn't indicate that they had any other source and the quote was pretty much exactly the same. Maybe someone will step forward and say that the claim is true.  It does seem to be somewhat contradictory to the tone of the other widely reported remarks. 

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told Western leaders gathered at a security conference in Munich on Saturday that he wants sanctions to be imposed against Russia before any potential invasion of his country, not after.

It was reported the Zelensky asked this of Western leaders back in February in advance of the attacks.  I can believe that now that the attacks have occurred he would lay some of the blame at our feet.  However, it's an impassioned idea because it's my belief that sanctions ahead of time wouldn't have made a difference, and might have hastened an attack not deter it.  But we'll never know.

Maybe the US could have taken the lead, but his neighbors, the powerhouses of France, UK or Germany didn't either.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelensky-sanctions-against-russia-before-possible-invasion-not-after/

From what I see though the call was more present-focused.  He thanks the US for what we are doing but called on more assistance, more sanctions and the no-fly zones.  He's not so catty as to make that the focal point of his call. 

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

It was reported the Zelensky asked this of Western leaders back in February in advance of the attacks.  I can believe that now that the attacks have occurred he would lay some of the blame at our feet.  However, it's an impassioned idea because it's my belief that sanctions ahead of time wouldn't have made a difference, and might have hastened an attack not deter it.  But we'll never know.

Maybe the US could have taken the lead, but his neighbors, the powerhouses of France, UK or Germany didn't either.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelensky-sanctions-against-russia-before-possible-invasion-not-after/

From what I see though the call was more present-focused.  He thanks the US for what we are doing but called on more assistance, more sanctions and the no-fly zones.  He's not so catty as to make that the focal point of his call. 

Yes, it was widely reported awhile back that he was asking for sanctions.  You're right in that it's hard to tell the effect they would have had that early.

Being that he did ask for sanctions earlier, it's surprising that some are so skeptical that he said what has been reported.   I'm not sure why such offense that he may have said it.  In the big picture, it's not that big a deal. 

44 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes, it was widely reported awhile back that he was asking for sanctions.  You're right in that it's hard to tell the effect they would have had that early.

Being that he did ask for sanctions earlier, it's surprising that some are so skeptical that he said what has been reported.   I'm not sure why such offense that he may have said it.  In the big picture, it's not that big a deal. 

Offense? You're kidding right? I simply don't think that the comment was corroborated and didn't represent the overall tenor of the call.  You are exactly correct, it's not a big deal although it got headlines in those media outlets you cited as if it was. Apparently it's a big enough deal to talk about here...

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7 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Offense? You're kidding right? I simply don't think that the comment was corroborated and didn't represent the overall tenor of the call.  You are exactly correct, it's not a big deal although it got headlines in those media outlets you cited as if it was. Apparently it's a big enough deal to talk about here...

 Fox News, being a Republican political organization must portray the Biden Administration in a bad light, so it will pick sand choose news stories that do this.

It's what news organizations due.  For example WaPo has an article about Republicans fast tracking funding to Ukraine while stalling funding for domestic programs.  

Biden's approval numbers are getting every so slightly better since the State of the Union so it's important to continue the narrative he's a poor leader with dementia.

 https://www.npr.org/2022/03/04/1084463809/biden-approval-poll-ukraine-economy

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

 Fox News, being a Republican political organization must portray the Biden Administration in a bad light, so it will pick sand choose news stories that do this.

It's what news organizations due.  For example WaPo has an article about Republicans fast tracking funding to Ukraine while stalling funding for domestic programs.  

Biden's approval numbers are getting every so slightly better since the State of the Union so it's important to continue the narrative he's a poor leader with dementia.

 https://www.npr.org/2022/03/04/1084463809/biden-approval-poll-ukraine-economy

I would differ that is not what "news organizations" do.  A need to publish material which is exclusively critical of a democratic president after fawning over a Republican president is not in the realm of a "news organization, it's the in the realm of propaganda.  

Why do you see reporting that contrasts actual behavior of legislators as an example of trying to portray republicans in a bad light? Heck, republicans are whining about virtual attendance to meetings by democrats while republicans are also not showing up to senate committee meetings so that Biden's nominees to the federal reserve can be approved. How can that be reported without making republicans appear as hypocritical obstructionists engaging in tantrum rather than participating in government.

 

This is an interesting bit of the American covid experience. 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/06/world/covid-19-tests-cases-vaccine/americans-say-the-pandemic-has-added-to-the-burden-of-health-care-debt

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In 2017, 19 percent of American households had medical debt, according to the Survey of Income and Program Participation from the Census Bureau.

A study published in July by the Commonwealth Fund, a nonprofit that conducts research on health policy, said that 38 percent of adults confirmed that they or a family member had had a problem paying medical bills in the previous 12 months. The Commonwealth Fund surveyed 5,450 Americans, a larger group than the study released this week.

In a December survey of nearly 3,000 people by Healthcare.com, 35 percent of respondents said they had medical debt.

In the survey released this week, 73 percent of the people with medical debt said that it had prevented them from doing things such as buying a home, saving for retirement and getting married.

To pay off these debts, 25 percent of people said they were negotiating with their health insurers, 21 percent were borrowing money from family and friends and 14 percent were considering declaring bankruptcy.

When you couple that with the loss of "normal" hospital revenue streams for the better part of two years, it seems like fighting against mitigation strategies was very expensive in this country. 

‘People’s Convoy’ en route to D.C. Beltway, plans to loop slowly

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-VA/2022/03/05/peoples-convoy-protest-beltway-dc-region/

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On Sunday morning, hundreds of protesters gathered to hear the details of the plan. After a pastor started things off by telling the group they were “heroes,” Brase instructed them to drive between 45 and 55 miles per hour and stay in one line to best show their size. The mostly White, mostly male protesters raised their coffees in salute.

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They plan to drive around the Beltway twice before returning to the Hagerstown Speedway, where the protesters have spent the weekend so far. The convoy, which recently numbered about 1,000 vehicles, intends to repeat that ritual each day this week until the group’s demands are met, said convoy organizer Brian Brase.

They are apparently demanding an end to pandemic mitigation mandates and an investigation into how the pandemic was managed by our government.  Given that quite a number of the Trucks are sporting Trump campaign flags and slogans they might be surprised what an investigation might reveal. On a side note, do protesters make demands...I thought demanding things was more in the wheelhouse of bullies, authoritarians and terrorists.

 

This is difficult for the Republican party...

Trump muses on war with Russia and praises Kim Jong Un 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/03/06/trump-focuses-foreign-policy-speech-gops-top-donors/

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NEW ORLEANS — Former president Donald Trump mused Saturday to the GOP’s top donors that the United States should label its F-22 planes with the Chinese flag and “bomb the s--t out of Russia.”
He also praised North Korean leader Kim Jong Un as “seriously tough,” claimed he was harder on Vladimir Putin than any other president, reiterated his false claims that he won the 2020 election, urged his party to be “tougher” on supposed election fraud, disparaged a range of prominent party opponents and called global warming “a great hoax” that could actually bring a welcome development: more waterfront property.
“And then we say, China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch,” he said of labeling U.S. military planes with Chinese flags and bombing Russia, which was met with laughter from the crowd of donors, according to a recording of the speech obtained by The Washington Post.

Trump doesn't seem to have any commitment to the rule of law and that apparently is entertaining, but not off-putting, for conservative donors. 

Roger Stone tapes: Video shows efforts to overturn 2020 election, seek pardons - Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/podcasts/post-reports/what-the-roger-stone-tapes-reveal-about-jan-6/

This film is going to be interesting.  I wonder if it will precede indictments. 

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