What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

2 hours ago, subee said:

I did see that the blackest city in Wisconsin only had 5 polling sites open instead of the usual 180 and that the most left-leaning counties didn't get their ballots on time to send in

Do you have a source for this?  And, where I live the county sends out the ballots.  So, maybe it's the countie's fault people didn't get their ballots on time.

Wisconsin experiences long lines at limited voting locations amid pandemic

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Long voting lines are being reported in Wisconsin a day after the state Supreme Court blocked Gov. Tony Evers (D) from canceling in-person voting for the state's primary Tuesday amid the coronavirus pandemic. 

Every state or territory that was scheduled to hold a primary in April has either moved completely to by-mail ballots or postponed until a later date, except for Wisconsin.

Polls are open but are operating at an extremely reduced capacity. In Milwaukee, the state's largest metropolitan area, only five polling places are open; the city usually has 180. 

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On the day prior to the 7 April 2020 election, the Democratic governor of Wisconsin, Mr. Evers, made a decision to cancel in person voting.  A decision overturned later that day by the Republican majority Wisconsin Supreme Court.  That same day, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that ballots postmarked after 7 April were not to be accepted.  A Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article published 9 April estimated that after absentee ballots were included, over 90,000 total ballots will be returned.  And, while this would be less than those received during the 2016 election (lower turnout was expected), it would be >30% higher than votes cast in a 2019 state Supreme Court election.   

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

2 hours ago, subee said:

I don't see how any of the above promote voter fraud with the exception of ballots being mailed out to unregistered voters.  Just because a ballot is mailed in early doesn't mean that the public should have access to that data before election day.

I think the argument is that most fraud does not occur at the polling stations but with absentee ballots, so making it easier might increase the incidence of fraud.  

Somehow Trump convinced people that even before the election because states were making it easy to vote outside of the public during the pandemic before the vaccine that it would be fraudulent.  I agree with Muno in that he and other republicans promoting fraud knew that those who would cooperate with pandemic recommendations to avoid crowds would likely be voting by mail and be democrat.  It's doubtful that Trump ahead of the election would claim it to be the most fraudulent election in history...if he lost.  There are people to this day, without evidence, that believe this to be true.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/494649-the-voter-fraud-fraud

[Beerman, BSN]

2 hours ago, MunoRN said:

" Traditional voting: in person on a single day, can be pretty much impossible for an hourly worker to take part in.  These voters rely on things like mail-in voting, extended voting periods, etc.  

I agree.

The Texas law that is supposedly controversial has a early voting period.  And, you can vote by mail under certain conditions. 

I wouldn't have a problem loosening some of those.

However, there are some Democrat states, such as Connecticut and Delaware,  that have even stricter mail in restrictions than Texas.

8 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I agree.

The Texas law that is supposedly controversial has a early voting period.  And, you can vote by mail under certain conditions. 

I wouldn't have a problem loosening some of those.

However, there are some Democrat states, such as Connecticut and Delaware,  that have even stricter mail in restrictions than Texas.

The point is the change in voter laws and regulations which make a safe and secure system which enjoys more access and convenience than other states into a less accessible or convenient election system, for no good reason. There is no reason to make voting harder. 

53 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I think the argument is that most fraud does not occur at the polling stations but with absentee ballots, so making it easier might increase the incidence of fraud.  

Somehow Trump convinced people that even before the election because states were making it easy to vote outside of the public during the pandemic before the vaccine that it would be fraudulent.  I agree with Muno in that he and other republicans promoting fraud knew that those who would cooperate with pandemic recommendations to avoid crowds would likely be voting by mail and be democrat.  It's doubtful that Trump ahead of the election would claim it to be the most fraudulent election in history...if he lost.  There are people to this day, without evidence, that believe this to be true.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/494649-the-voter-fraud-fraud

There isn't enough voter fraud to justify changing rules or processes...certainly not if the changes in any way restrict, limit or block access to eligible voters.  

https://thehill.com/homenews/presidential-campaign/585901-ap-finds-fewer-than-475-cases-of-potential-voter-fraud-in-six

 

[Beerman, BSN]

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I think the argument is that most fraud does not occur at the polling stations but with absentee ballots, so making it easier might increase the incidence of fraud.  

Yes.  Common sense.  The more ballots out there, the more likely they end up in the wrong hands.  And, the more difficult it is to have them verified properly.

 

[Beerman, BSN]

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I agree with Muno in that he and other republicans promoting fraud knew that those who would cooperate with pandemic recommendations to avoid crowds would likely be voting by mail and be democrat.  It's doubtful that Trump ahead of the election would claim it to be the most fraudulent election in history...if he lost.

I wouldn't disagree with that.  But, likewise, Democrats knew that too, and used it to their advantage.

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Yes.  Common sense.  The more ballots out there, the more likely they end up in the wrong hands.  And, the more difficult it is to have them verified properly.

 

Does the evidence support that concern? Is there more voter fraud occurring in states that employ mailed in ballots?

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-mail-suddenly-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

I wouldn't disagree with that.  But, likewise, Democrats knew that too, and used it to their advantage.

Democrats used the ease of mailed ballots to their advantage during a pandemic? I wonder why republicans didn't do that too.

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

48 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Democrats used the ease of mailed ballots to their advantage during a pandemic? I wonder why republicans didn't do that too.

By that time there already was the political division over covid with more Republicans being anti-covid restrictions.  So for them to promote mail in voting to keep people safe would not settle well with the base that didn't believe in such things.  Remember that Trump threw live in person rallies and Biden with the support of his base played it safe.  

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

I wouldn't disagree with that.  But, likewise, Democrats knew that too, and used it to their advantage.

I wouldn't disagree with that because they understood their base was more inclined to want to vote by mail, so why not make it easier for them.  At the same time from an ethical standpoint it seems that making it easier to stay safe during a pandemic was the better thing to do than invent the lie that it was going to be fraudulent.  

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

Yes.  Common sense.  The more ballots out there, the more likely they end up in the wrong hands.  And, the more difficult it is to have them verified properly.

 

And the more mistakes like the 50,000 ballots in Ohio that were mailed out incorrectly, and others that were lost or found in a ditch.  Concerns are valid.

2020 was an unprecedented year for mail in votes due to the pandemic, and like TMB I would like to see some data on that.  I would guess that fraudulent ballots were increased because like you say common sense would dictate that it would.  However, with study after study saying overall that voter fraud is rare, I would venture a guess that in 2020 it might still might have remained low.  Again, common sense.

Also, I wonder if as the pandemic eases will mail in votes drop and people return to their previous voting habits.

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

At the end of the day none of this matters as Democrats bid for change in voting rights died on arrival.  Biden pretty much seems like a lame duck president at this point especially with the general bad mood of the country over inflation, Coronavirus and other issues, which I don't think has been this bad since the crash of 2008.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/01/joe-bidens-agenda-might-really-be-dead.html